Quote from: Hertsblue on 06 August 2012, 03:17:08 PM
You may have problems fitting the milkmaid with the yoke in though..... 

I'm sure I could fit in the right milkmaid...

Quote from: FierceKitty on 07 August 2012, 08:42:12 AM
Which said, if anyone fancies a duel on the subject of prepositions, be warned. I'm dangerous on this one, in all modesty.

I was taught the King's English at school, I picked up various dialects on British streets as well as Estuary English by listening to Have I Got News For You, which makes me immune. For a duel, my opening move would be Webster's:

Quotein need of
â€" used to say that someone or something needs to have something ▪ The program is in desperate/dire/urgent need of financial support.▪ More important things were in need of her attention.▪ The trucks are in constant need of repair.

no need
â€" used to say that something is not necessary ▪ “I'll get someone to help you.” “No need. I can do it myself.” â€" often followed by to + verb▪ There's no need to get excited.▪ There's no need to apologize.▪ There's no need to shout. I can hear you.â€" often + for▪ There's no need for him to apologize.▪ There's no need for you to shout. = There's no need for shouting.▪ There's no need for that kind of behavior.▪ The doctor says that there's no need for surgery.

Cheers,
Aart

In that case I move to Shadwell Place using the non-return Oyster card bonus...
  Oh, it's not Mornington Crescent we're playing...

Webster's, eh? An admirable reference work for American.

Quote from: FierceKitty on 07 August 2012, 10:36:03 AM
Webster's, eh? An admirable reference work for American.

A classic repartee, and thoroughly predictable: "British and Americans have lots in common except the language."

Let's see how you wiggle your way our of the Oxford dictionary:

Quoteneed
[mass noun] circumstances in which something is necessary; necessity:
the basic human need for food [with infinitive]: there’s no need to cry


in need of
needing (something): he was in desperate need of medical care

I guess your next move will be the familiar dilettante gambit: "Language is a living phenomenon which can't be captured by dictionaries."

Cheers,
Aart

Quote from: Aart Brouwer on 07 August 2012, 12:15:56 PM
A classic repartee, and thoroughly predictable: "British and Americans have lots in common except the language."

Let's see how you wiggle your way our of the Oxford dictionary:

I guess your next move will be the familiar dilettante gambit: "Language is a living phenomenon which can't be captured by dictionaries."

Cheers,
Aart

No, I detest that one. The truth it actually contains is too obvious to be worth stating, and the way it's used as a stalking horse for any gibberish is an insult to the intelligence. It reminds me of an American colleague who insists that his own semi-literacy means the word "decimate" denotes destruction.
That aside, have I inadvertently trodden on your toes? I scent a whiff of acrimony in the recent tone.

Quote from: FierceKitty on 07 August 2012, 12:36:54 PM
No, I detest that one. The truth it actually contains is too obvious to be worth stating, and the way it's used as a stalking horse for any gibberish is an insult to the intelligence. It reminds me of an American colleague who insists that his own semi-literacy means the word "decimate" denotes destruction.
That aside, have I inadvertently trodden on your toes? I scent a whiff of acrimony in the recent tone.

No acrimony at all, my friend. On the contrary, I enjoy your contributions. I should probably have added a smiley there!  

But a duel implies a degree of opposition, doesn't it? Some 'Aha!' and 'Gotcha!' and 'Did you think I'd fall for that one?' - uttered of course in broken Spanish, exaggerated German or ridiculous Italian dialect and with fitting cloak-and-dagger gestures and knowing smiles.

So en garde: what have you to say in the light of the Oxford dictionary lemma? Hm? What? Aha!  

Cheers,
Aart

Quote from: Aart Brouwer on 07 August 2012, 12:56:06 PM
No acrimony at all, my friend. On the contrary, I enjoy your contributions. I should probably have added a smiley there!  

But a duel implies a degree of opposition, doesn't it? Some 'Aha!' and 'Gotcha!' and 'Did you think I'd fall for that one?' - uttered of course in broken Spanish, exaggerated German or ridiculous Italian dialect and with fitting cloak-and-dagger gestures and knowing smiles.

So en garde: what have you to say in the light of the Oxford dictionary lemma? Hm? What? Aha!  

Cheers,
Aart

Probably something snide about the no. two university in the UK. But since I'm not sure what point is being made anyway, the game's not worth the candle.

Mehaps this should be continued in a new topic perchance? 
I just want to know how the generals will turn out! 

Quote from: mad lemmey on 07 August 2012, 01:33:14 PM
Mehaps this should be continued in a new topic perchance? 
I just want to know how the generals will turn out! 

Second sentence contains a timely reproof. The hijack was not intended. Sorry.

Quote from: mad lemmey on 07 August 2012, 10:33:48 AM
In that case I move to Shadwell Place using the non-return Oyster card bonus...
  Oh, it's not Mornington Crescent we're playing...

Diagonal moves are limited by the use of Webters, rather than the OED

 

Quote from: FierceKitty on 07 August 2012, 01:22:45 PM
Probably something snide about the no. two university in the UK. But since I'm not sure what point is being made anyway, the game's not worth the candle.

The point is that you said you were in for a duel. Oh well, perhaps some other time.

Cheers,
Aart

Quote from: FierceKitty on 07 August 2012, 06:59:09 AM
I'm sure a reliable therapist could help you, Nick.

Quote from: FierceKitty on 07 August 2012, 08:42:12 AM
Which said, if anyone fancies a duel on the subject of prepositions, be warned. I'm dangerous on this one, in all modesty.

I'm much more dangerous in a duel on the (mis)spelling of my name... 

And I'd still like clarity on which particular need you were expressing: of or for wenches? Significantly different, methinks... 

Quote from: nikharwood on 07 August 2012, 11:38:40 PM
I'm much more dangerous in a duel on the (mis)spelling of my name... 

And I'd still like clarity on which particular need you were expressing: of or for wenches? Significantly different, methinks... 
Let me put it on record, however, that I ardently support your campaign for Aztecs.

Same use as Queen Elizabeth in Richard III, though quoted from memory: God send we never may have need of thee!
Orthography has never been my strong suit. Does an apology about misspelling satisfy honour?