Quote from: John Cook on 07 April 2020, 10:27:41 PM
OK, it's your ball and your game, but I suggest you rename this area "For anything at all (except politics) non-wargaming related!", or remove it entirely. 

We just need to avoid getting into any Johnson/Corbyn/Sturgeon/A.N.Other bashing because of personal political views, as that'll cause friction and endless debates that can quickly turn into arguments.  I think we can discuss the current situation and the government response to it around the world, but we need to be mindful that other people may have different (and potentially strong) opinions.

Quote from: Leon on 07 April 2020, 10:39:27 PM
We just need to avoid getting into any Johnson/Corbyn/Sturgeon/A.N.Other bashing because of personal political views, as that'll cause friction and endless debates that can quickly turn into arguments.  I think we can discuss the current situation and the government response to it around the world, but we need to be mindful that other people may have different (and potentially strong) opinions.

I second that.

Yes indeed

Thirded

I really don't want to see folk falling out.

Fourthed.

Cheers - Phil

Johnson is PM, and it's his government dealing with it. Sturgeon is running Scotland, and their response.

They're intrinsic to the issue, as is their response and character.

Though yes, personal attacks (e.g. the countless & unnecessary "Jimmy Cranky" cracks and random "Steptoe" sideswipe at one of the few honest people in Westminster etc) don't help, but examination of, and criticism of, their responses to and actions on the issue are part and parcel of the whole shebang.

In other news, I see according to the rags, Johnson is now the "face" of taking it on the chin as a plucky blitz spirit but he's likely to be out for some time so it's off to Raab and Hancock to duke it out over policy.

Gentlemen,
Since this forum, and this virus, are both international orientated I suggest you keep British politics out of it indeed.
Brexit was already bad enough but at least had something to do with the other Europeans... 

Cheers,
Rob

Rob, the pandemic is international

We can happily add in other countries responses to compare & contrast - South Korea's "test > isolate > track" on those infected has worked amazingly well, China's rather more draconian approach has also worked (albeit less well), Sweden seems to be something like SK and managing well also. The quicker you quarantine and the more you test > track > isolate the better you can hammer the spread down.

There's two outliers to that approach who have rather fumbled and look like they're going to be bad. One's us, and the other's the US :/

Even the bloody Iranians seem to be on track!

Quote from: Leon on 07 April 2020, 10:39:27 PM
We just need to avoid getting into any Johnson/Corbyn/Sturgeon/A.N.Other bashing because of personal political views, as that'll cause friction and endless debates that can quickly turn into arguments.

Some 30 odd years ago I was a member of the local Round Table. From their rule book:-

Rule 17. Party politics and sectarian religion shall not be discussed at any meeting.

We seemed to manage that quite well so I propose that this rule be added to the General Rules in the New Member Information topic (see Forum Info section of this forum).


btw, this is my 3000th post.

Quote from: toxicpixie on 08 April 2020, 09:10:44 AM
Even the bloody Iranians seem to be on track!

I thought Iran, like northern Italy was one the first real big hot-spots outside of China?

Actually can't remember hearing any news coming out of Iran recently, so maybe they've sorted it.

Numerous reports coming out that the death toll in Wuhan  is nearer the 40,000 mark than the official figures.  This has been calculated by the number of urns of ashes being returned to relatives.

So Iran maybe doing a similar cover up ? 

Quote from: Leon on 07 April 2020, 10:39:27 PM
We just need to avoid getting into any Johnson/Corbyn/Sturgeon/A.N.Other bashing because of personal political views

Aye, no problem with that.

But there is a difference between Boris Johnson the <insert opinion here>, and the Prime Minister of the UK.

I know they're the same bloke, and it'll be difficult to talk about one without the other, but having the PM in intensive care is actually a massive thing to happen.

I'm not convinced the Iranians are able to cover up quite so well as the Chinese; and whilst both seem to have misreported to some extent (how much is malice, how much lack of ability is anyone's guess - I'd guess the former in China's case and the latter for Iran tbh), that was earlier in the infection cycle and they're both now much more on top of it - their new cases and deaths were brought under control and are now tapering off.

The curve on both should probably be a notch further up the chart, BUT the actual curve seems accurate even with a bit of padding removed.

Also, we're... seemingly doing a little creative accounting as lots of deaths are not being logged as "official", numerous health care workers and people dying outside the emergency wards proper seem to be very heavily under reported.

We needed to lock down a month before we did, and with hard official legislation (not "ahh, well, maybe, take it on the chin, it'll be fine, we're British y'know!"), and test > track > isolate. As it is, we've been very wishy washy and let it rampage pretty much unchecked and had to overreact with less actual effect for more cost :/

Quote from: Westmarcher on 08 April 2020, 09:13:50 AM
btw, this is my 3000th post.

Congrats, Davy !

Cheers - Phil

Quote from: Techno on 08 April 2020, 09:44:25 AM
Congrats, Davy !

Cheers - Phil

Indeed, hurrah for any small victory in these times

Aaaaand now I want to listen to Faith No More; I blame Leon actually since he mentioned the other day they had them on in the workshop