Mmmm, I got a few 2mm IM land pieces to go with my fleets. Couldn't help noticing that a dragoon riding by the church would have been able to reach over and steal the weathercock as a souvenir. Buildings and figures by the same maker. This takes Wendy-housing too far, IMFFHO.

Agreed

Vitrix now being called 12mm
https://www.beastsofwar.com/modern-warfare/victrix-upcoming-12mm-world-war-ii-game/

https://www.facebook.com/victrixlimited/posts/1730998003702753?comment_id=1773326372803249

Mark

Quote from: Sunray on 24 January 2020, 11:20:41 PM
Secondly,  men come in different heights and sizes.

Aye, they certainly do. But their equipment doesn't. That's the dead giveaway on scale. Look at the rifles/helmets/spears/shields/whatever. Different sized weapons in a unit of mixed scale figures will stand out like one of Techno's sore thumbs . . .

Quote from: sultanbev on 24 January 2020, 09:40:17 PM
Am sticking to 10mm 1/160 scale, as it compatible with n-gauge model rail scenery

Mmmm, sort of. US/European N scale is 1/160, UK N Gauge is 1/148, UK 2mm scale is 1/152. Japanese stuff is a bit odd I think most of it is 1/150 on 9mm track, (because most Japanese railways are narrow gauge) but the Skinkasen stuff (i.e. bullet train, standard gauge) is 1/160 on 9mm track.

I believe that Pendraken's vehicles are scaled at 1/150.

Wargame figures sizes tend to follow a pattern of evolution.

When Airfix revolutionised the hobby with their H0 &00 plastic soldiers back in the 1960s we had the accompanying railway layout scenery and the odd Blue Bell plastic farm from Hong Kong.  When Charles Grant published his first rules and battle reports in Meccano he opted for 1/87 Roco tanks and AFVs to accompany them.  We all engaged in that memorable "Action at Twin Farms". 

However, the plastic manufactures also made models of tanks and aircraft, so Airfix did a sale creep up to  1/76 or 20mm which complimented both vehicles and 1/72 aircraft.  The second version of Airfix 8th Army is a good example.

10mm started off as close to N gauge as possible,  but with aircraft at 1/144, and the arrival of dedicated wargame scenery, there was less dependency on N gauge, so figures from the likes of Timecast are getting close to what was 15mm when I started gaming in the 1960s. 

Quote from: Raider4 on 25 January 2020, 11:21:06 AM
Different sized weapons in a unit of mixed scale figures will stand out like one of Techno's sore thumbs . . .

Hey !.....My thumbs are fine !(It's usually the index finger on my left hand that takes the punishment )

And I haven't cut myself for.....No....I'm not going to tempt fate.

Cheers - Phil

A lot will depend on how the tanks are sold, at this moment in time it appears that PSC will sell 10 x T72 (say) and Victrix will sell in sixes. Both these boxing systems are borne from the Flames of War type system that sells things by the platoon, however, if like me, you like a variety of vehicles and might only need one or two of things, because you game at a fairly low level, then the new boxes of plastics may not be attractive.

Both PSC and Victrix will be delivering their own rule systems and so the figures will services them Organisationally, much as Battlefront do with Flames of War. It will likely take several years, certainly for Victrix to service the many vehicles and theatres, while keeping existing traditional lines maintained and expanded. If one jumps into their scale / system, one also has to hope that it will be supported over the long term and that the tap doesn't get turned off!

Flames of War players may be the natural  target audience for Victrix.

Gripping Beast have just brought out Milites Mundi, which is a sort of SwordPoint for 15mm and less and they are supporting that with their own 10mm metals. Interesting that this is another 28mm company that is embracing a smaller scale and I suppose in some ways it is safe to do this as the sales of each will not likely harm the other.

It might make wargame shows and wargame magazines  a bit more interesting, from the point of view that they might stop looking like a 28mm fest!  

EDIT - by the way Warlord Games have just announced a price hike that percentage wise is much less conservative than Pendrakens and I wonder whether that indicates that plastic is becoming expensive and whether the tooling up / production costs to expand and maintain a wide product base is just more expensive than the traditional lead based business and if so, that might become a factor in gamers choice.

An interesting discussion

Quote from: Norm on 25 January 2020, 04:51:33 PM
...if like me, you like a variety of vehicles and might only need one or two of things, because you game at a fairly low level, then the new boxes of plastics may not be attractive.

People will buy them and eBay the spares.

If they are going to sell 10mm for this period I think manufactuers need a two pronged approach:

1. Offer gamers a flexible approach when buying both modern AFV's and infantry - Yes offer "Complete Army" boxes to get people started but don't make them buy whole platoon boxes if they only want individual vehicles/fireteams....Don't encourage track to track "carparks" by over filling your 6 x 4 table with half of GSFG's actual number of T-64's/BMP-1/BTR-60PB on a 1:1 scale   

2. Don't tie them too closely to any one set of rules......there are many, many different sets of rules for the post 1945 era, which range from simple to incredibly detailed....what one person likes someone else may not...the trick seems to be finding the right rules balance.

I would potentially be interested in doing some 10mm 1980's company level stuff so I'm following developments, but I have yet to find a set of company level modern rules that has the right "fit" for me.     

Quote from: Norm on 25 January 2020, 04:51:33 PM
EDIT - by the way Warlord Games have just announced a price hike that percentage wise is much less conservative than Pendrakens and I wonder whether that indicates that plastic is becoming expensive and whether the tooling up / production costs to expand and maintain a wide product base is just more expensive than the traditional lead based business and if so, that might become a factor in gamers choice.

Well..... the initial outlay to produce (tool up) plastic figures/vehicles certainly used to be mind bogglingly ginormous, compared to paying for a production run of metal figures.

Though, once that's done, the profit on each plastic figure is going to be far,far greater, than the profit you might expect from a metal model.....But naturally that means you've got to be certain/mega confident that you're going to shift (probably) thousands and thousands of your plastics to get your initial outlay back.

I'm sure Leon could quote you far more up to date figures for the costs of 'making plastics' than the ones I used to know. I would imagine the costs have dropped significantly..now most (?) of the plastic figures are being made in China....But they'll still be very pricey compared 'to metals'....Otherwise EVERYONE would be doing it.

I wonder if some of the increases are due to tariffs being hiked in the 'trade war' between China and the USA.
Wasn't it anything produced in China was going to be hit ?.....Didn't matter where the actual 'toy soldier' company was based....If the product was made in China, the import duty went up.

Like I say, I'm sure Leon will be more up to speed than me.

Cheers - Phil

Battlefront make theirs in Malaysia Phil. I think PSC are using UK based producers.

Ahh...

I knew there were still a few left in the UK....I think the problem there might be with them, is that they're usually so overloaded with work, it takes for ever to get even a single figure 'done'.
Do you know where Warlord's are produced ?....They may be being done in Malaysia too.....Which would scotch the 'import duty' hike idea.

One thing that I didn't put down, was that some plastics are originally made as a three times bigger model....(Which will make the original sculpt a lot more expensive...It takes more time to make...obviously.)
I'm not sure whether this is true for all figures nowadays.
The 'Clicky Mechs', some of which I made for Wizkidz a lifetime ago, were made 'actual size'.

The nice bit about making those, was that I didn't have to worry about things like 'undercuts'.
They were just 'straight sculpts' and got chopped up (and then reassembled) in the factory in China.

Cheers - Phil

Warlord are all produced in the UK.