Battle of Lansdown, July 1643.

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Quote from: Steve J on 25 October 2017, 10:01:59 AM
There is also a Roman fort next to the Western end of Bath racecourse. Sadly you can't get close to it, but without crops in the field you can see some of it. There is also a deep ditch by the footpath that I've always wondered if it's the substantial remnants of a defensive structure. It is deeper than it needs to be as a pure ditch. The views from nearby are stunning on a good day.
I have a friend who is an archaeologist in Bath. I will ask if he knows.

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Quote from: Steve J on 25 October 2017, 10:01:59 AM
There is also a Roman fort next to the Western end of Bath racecourse. Sadly you can't get close to it, but without crops in the field you can see some of it. There is also a deep ditch by the footpath that I've always wondered if it's the substantial remnants of a defensive structure. It is deeper than it needs to be as a pure ditch. The views from nearby are stunning on a good day.
My friend tells me he thinks the fort is a misidentification by a Victorian antiquary. He considers it more likely to be a livestock pen.

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Westmarcher

An interesting thread. Thanks for posting that (btw, Photo 7?). Waller moving his artillery back during the fight was also illuminating  (presume they were not big pieces) as all too often we are told artillery was more or less static during pre-Napoleonic battles, particularly the further back in time one goes. Also, thanks to T13A for the battlefields trust link. Although the first two battles I searched for were not encouraging (Brunanburh unsurprisingly revealed no substantive information and Glen Shiel had not been included at all), it nevertheless looks as if it could be quite a good resource to refer to in future. 
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Steve J

QuoteMy friend tells me he thinks the fort is a misidentification by a Victorian antiquary. He considers it more likely to be a livestock pen.

Interesting and makes sense as it's a pretty small enclosure.

Steve J


Leman

I was a child in Bromborough, which has often been identified as the site of the battle of Brunanbrugh. Many years ago I remember reading an article about the battle in Miniature Wargames or Wargames Illustrated. The area it described, by the little river Dibbin matched where I had once lived, so I am a bit of a Bromborough supporter for the site of this elusive battle, particularly as the Vikings involved were from Ireland and the Mersey, into which the Dibbin flows, has it's estuary on the Irish Sea and many good places for beaching the types of boats used by the Vikings.
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Westmarcher

Yeah, it was my impression that the Wirral was the most favoured candidate, location-wise, too and not the Dumfriesshire one highlighted in the battlefields trust website (although, to be fair, they do indicate that one is also speculative and that no-one really knows).
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Quote from: Westmarcher on 25 October 2017, 06:16:37 PM
Yeah, it was my impression that the Wirral was the most favoured candidate, location-wise, too and not the Dumfriesshire one highlighted in the battlefields trust website (although, to be fair, they do indicate that one is also speculative and that no-one really knows).
Remember in 1980s a series by Michael Wood, "In Search of the Dark Ages" which talked about the location of the battle. Really fascinating.

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Are there any rules anyone recommends for the ECW please?

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Hi

Personally, I like Field of Glory Renaissance, IMHO they give a good 'feel' for the ECW.

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Leman

Weirdly my mates, who play a lot of FoGR, don't rate it for the ECW. They prefer Forlorn Hope, or its derivative, Warre without an Enemie. Personally I'm waiting for the TtS version For King and Parliament.
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Quote from: Leman on 28 October 2017, 04:02:30 PM
Weirdly my mates, who play a lot of FoGR, don't rate it for the ECW. They prefer Forlorn Hope, or its derivative, Warre without an Enemie. Personally I'm waiting for the TtS version For King and Parliament.

While we have tried a couple of Baroque games, (which have been pretty successful overall) I saw on TMP today that someone is running a trial FK&P game at the Hutt wargaming club here in Wellington in December, so booked that date as I'm keen to see them in action of the table myself.

Before anyone asks Lower Hutt and Upper Hutt are both small cities near Wellington and have no connection with Jabba the Hutt of Starwars fame. 

   
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urbancohort

Anone used "The Kingdom is ours" at all please? Thoughts?

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One of our group has been playtesting an ECW variant of BBB. Early reports are positive. I should get to try it myself later this month. (In breach of my usual self-imposed avoidance of anything pre-Napoleonic!)

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Steve J

A lovely walk out today saw myself and SWMBO end up on the extreme left flank of the Parliamentarian position. We had hoped to then walk along to the other end of the battlefield, but the weather took a turn for the worse, so we headed back. However, the info board was very useful and we could get a really good view across to where the Royalists advanced from. You can see why this was chosen as a defensive position, as to get to it means a damned hard climb from any direction, even in modern walking boots and not encumbered with any kit.

In just over a weeks time I'm off for a weeks hols, so intend to have a good wander of the battlefield. If the weather is good, I hope to take in Solsbury Hill fort and Hinton Hill fort (again), as they are not too far away.

urbancohort

Quote from: Steve J on 05 November 2017, 02:03:51 PM
A lovely walk out today saw myself and SWMBO end up on the extreme left flank of the Parliamentarian position. We had hoped to then walk along to the other end of the battlefield, but the weather took a turn for the worse, so we headed back. However, the info board was very useful and we could get a really good view across to where the Royalists advanced from. You can see why this was chosen as a defensive position, as to get to it means a damned hard climb from any direction, even in modern walking boots and not encumbered with any kit.

In just over a weeks time I'm off for a weeks hols, so intend to have a good wander of the battlefield. If the weather is good, I hope to take in Solsbury Hill fort and Hinton Hill fort (again), as they are not too far away.
It is amazing that they succeeded in storming that ridge, although Wroughton seems to suggest that Waller may have planned that as the fields behind were perfect for cavalry, where he was stronger than Hopton.

Solsbury Hill, not just a good song but possibly also the location of Badon Hill. Just beyong Lansdown is Dyrham, location of a battle in 577AD between the citizenry of Bath, Cirencester and Gloucester against the advancing Saxons.

Thanks for the add!

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