So, in summary the rules were changed because the playtesters thought the historical practice of Soviet massed ATR units which were effective against armour even in 1943 was too powerful for the game? Limiting ATR upgrades in the list should cure that and to prevent historical deployment use is quirk to say the least.

Simply letting them have a sensible attack value (1/20 or 2/20 for heavy or massed units) but limiting damage to units with a modified save of 6 only is better than 2/60 IMHO.

I think the ATR issue is a bit minor compared to all the others - but I take your point.

Agreed it is minor - just nagging at me, it is an example of a significant homogenising of widely different weapons to a single stat - kind of like saying 'its a light/medium/heavy tank'. Will see what the new lists come up with, may still froth a tad occasionally.

Hey, I'm still having nightmares about British Airborne mounted on mules! 

Highly trained, well motivated and camouflaged mules (with AT Rifles !!).

The only way I can see mules in a British Airbourne list is as Chindits. The only theatres in which the British used mules were Italy and Burma, far as I can recall.

Quote from: ianrs54 on 06 May 2017, 06:56:17 AM
The only way I can see mules in a British Airbourne list is as Chindits. The only theatres in which the British used mules were Italy and Burma, far as I can recall.

No paras, but yes to mules: BEF in France and Narvik.
Cheers,
Aksu

Well blow me down, they did too.



Can't see any parachutes in the photo and they are Indian Army rather than British, so would have been significantly less motorised than their British equivalents.

Cheers, Andy

Quote from: Dr Dave on 04 May 2017, 02:42:37 PM
Hey, I'm still having nightmares about British Airborne mounted on mules! 

The same goes for them !

Those look like they are heading for the Chindits.

I saw camels in Arnhem last year. In a field down by the Oosterbeek church. But no mules or horses.

Biggles or Algy at the controls?  If it was Wilks it was an SE5A.

Oh ha ha, really. Biggles? 

An absolute must read for us lads in the 60's and early 70's.  I reread the WW1 books again recently when they were released by Red Fox and there is a surprising amount of gritty reality in there, on a par with the likes of Sapper at least.  The fear and gore are played down, as they did in those days, but the stories cover very realistic situations - they just didn't all happen to one guy.  I have a copy of Biggles Pioneer Air Fighter dating back to the late 50's, with an interview with W.E.Johns, who was an experienced fighter pilot and he said the Biggles books were based on the tamer escapades of his mates in the RFC.  I always remember his anecdote about a shot up RE8 that landed at his airfield with pilot and observer dead in the cockpit.  He assumed the pilot had landed, but succumbed to his wounds before anyone could get to him.

So watch out those Camels don't perform their characteristic lightning right turn because of the engine torque.

Cheers, Andy

I went and spoke to the camels, but they were extremely rude to me

They had the hump