Quote from: Techno on 17 April 2017, 06:50:49 AM
Looking good.

Cheers - Phil

Thanks Phil! 
Definitely benefit from 'distance'. Taken family out today so sadly won't finish them today... why does the family get in the way of the REALLY important work of painting my small 'lead mountain'.
Graham

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Quote from: mad lemmey on 17 April 2017, 07:11:55 AM
Like, a lot!

Cheers Lemmy.

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Quote from: toxicpixie on 17 April 2017, 07:29:03 AM
Thirded, looking crisp. How you finding the black undercoat - ok to pick up detail still?

Thirded on cheap brushes as well btw. The Works, Rymans etc are very handy

Yes, black actually worked well for me. Seemed to show detail as well as white in actual fact! In fairness I painted on black rather than primed but will prime in future.

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Quote from: Glorfindel on 17 April 2017, 12:02:05 PM
These are very nice Grenadiers - you really don't have anything to worry about.

For what its worth, my own thoughts on this :

   a.   I have used black undercoat for years and really appreciate the effect it
   gives.   To maximise the impact, I tend to leave more black showing between
   colours than you have in the above examples.

   You can just about make this out in the two pics below below (the officer
   with white sleeves in the first and the closest pikeman

   b.   I have recently experimented with a different effect for figures which
   mainly have grey coats (War of the Spanish Succession era).   Undercoat in
   white and then wash with Army Painter Quickshade 'Dark Tone'.  This adds
   great definition to the figure, something that can be an issue with black u/c.
   It also ensures the colours are brighter and finally, every separate part of the
   figure is 'black lined' (or dark grey lined).   Not a perfect example below

   c.   Quality of brushes is very important - I normally just use one brush for
   nearly everything until it dies - I then go into a period of brush mourning (!)
   until I manage to find an alternative;

   d.   I mount each figure individually on an old paintpot rather than in groups.  
   This allows better access;

   e.   Painting is a very personal exercise.   If I am going to complete an army,
   I need the completed figures to provide continued inspiration.   I therefore
   take a bit more time so that they are as good as I can make them.   If I didn't
   do this and wasn't happy with the results, I might lose that inspiration to continue.

   f.   Although I am happy with the standard I have reached, I look at some of the
   painted figures on this forum and despair of achieving the same result.   There are
   some really talented

Thanks Glorfindel.
Looking at the quality of your products in the photos praise from you is praise indeed!

Realised the basing on a stick is a bit of a disadvantage but also, do you paint masses individually based like that? Not sure that I would be able to work on loads of seperate figures but as a relative novice who has only recently discovered the scale and this forum, conversations like this are truly upping my game.

Still haven't resolved the 'fraying brush' issue but will stay at it.

Points e and f seconded!

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Graham

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I think that once a brush has started to fray then its time to get a new one. Dont think there is anything you can do to fix the problem

Quote from: d_Guy on 17 April 2017, 01:14:44 PM
I like them also, Urban. The grenadiers of Kirke's. Very recognizable. They will look VERY good on a gametable.

As Glorfindel has said, there are some painters on this board that turn out amazing results. We had a speculation a while back that these folks actually paint 28mm then use a transmogrifier to shrink to 10mm! How they exactly match the Pendraken sculpts is a mystery.

... it boils down to great patience, much practice and a high personal standard of excellence. It's like playing a musical instrument in many ways. I personally think that a certain amount of innate talent is probably useful, also.

I like dull! Will never win a painting contest but I like the look and that's what this is all really about. I

d_guy

Think you are correct. Those are 28 or 54mm figures painted and shrunk. Or it is magic. Either way, you probably learn to do it at Hogwarts and we mere muggles can only achieve so much.

Thanks for contributing. I will post more updates as and when they are available, as they say. Unfortunately Mrs Urban should have been born in a cave and only likes dim lights of an evening. Until I get an anglepoise lamp it is dayliggt painting only!!!

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I have painted many Pendraken WWII figures. I have painted a good many Medieval/Dark Age figures. I've even painted ACW figures, but I am frankly bottling it painting Napoleonics.

I like my black undercoated WWII figures. The colours go a bit dim and camouflage-y. I like my grunge Dark Age. They're black coated then dry brushed white. There's a gloomy feel to them, with desperate attempts at jollity in the odd patches of red or green.  My recent foray into Pacific WWII had me going to white undercoat to get a faded, weary feel for my Marines and  Japanese.

Why am I bottling Napoleonics? 'Cos for me Napoleonics are all about the colour. They need to be unrealistrically bright. I've had some Prussians on my table for a few months now. They were undercoated white, then re-undercoated black, then dry brushed white, then undercoated white again and dipped. These poor bleeders have been undercoated so often they're beginning to look like snowmen.

What I ought to do is some test paints. What I do do is vaciliate and end up doing nothing.

Latest. Grenadiers based. Rough looking set of likely lads!

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Quote from: fsn on 18 April 2017, 06:53:04 AM
I have painted many Pendraken WWII figures. I have painted a good many Medieval/Dark Age figures. I've even painted ACW figures, but I am frankly bottling it painting Napoleonics.

I like my black undercoated WWII figures. The colours go a bit dim and camouflage-y. I like my grunge Dark Age. They're black coated then dry brushed white. There's a gloomy feel to them, with desperate attempts at jollity in the odd patches of red or green.  My recent foray into Pacific WWII had me going to white undercoat to get a faded, weary feel for my Marines and  Japanese.

Why am I bottling Napoleonics? 'Cos for me Napoleonics are all about the colour. They need to be unrealistrically bright. I've had some Prussians on my table for a few months now. They were undercoated white, then re-undercoated black, then dry brushed white, then undercoated white again and dipped. These poor bleeders have been undercoated so often they're beginning to look like snowmen.

What I ought to do is some test paints. What I do do is vaciliate and end up doing nothing.

Fsn. That reads like a page from my diary mate! Most of my experience to date has been 1/72nd plastics but my journey has been very similar.

On this army, I have tried a variety of techniques but I think that black undercoat works best.

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They look good UC

They do indeed, very nice!

Glad the black undercoat is working, and you can see the detail

Looking good. Nice tufty basing.

Nice base

FSN   >>>These poor bleeders have been undercoated so often they're beginning to look like snowmen. "

Oh very good !   Certainly conjures up an image...


urbancohort    Thank you for the kind words.   Took a long time to get there !

>>>do you paint masses individually based like that? Not sure that I would be able to work on loads of seperate figures

I paint 4-6 figures at a time, each on its own pot.   Try to finish approx one
Pendraken pack per week (30 inf or 15 cav).   For me, the secret is little and
often (although I'm not sure the other half would agree...)     

It really helps that battalions in the WSS and SYW era tend to be made up of
a single standard infantry figure (plus command bods).   I use the same basic
infantry pose for all my Prussian infantrymen -

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Really like your finished basing !


Phil

Those look cracking, Phil.

Cheers - Phil.