I recently ordered PPW16 described as C61 6-pdr. On the gun carriage they have two half boxes, which I take to represent nets, and diagonal bars running from the wheels to the side of the carriage. From pictures I have seen these are the C64 4-pdrs as from other pictures the 6-pdr had neither nets or the diagonal bars. I have mentioned this to Leon and he has suggested I raise the question on the forum.

Any advice/answers gentlemen.

Chad

If they are the same as the1870 6 pounders, the box is a seat either side of the front of the gun where two gunner sat while limbered?

Lemmey

I don't know. If that is correct, then they would appear to be identical to the C64 4-pdr. That leaves me with the problem of what to use for the C61 6-pdr.

Chad

Picture of 4pdr

The 6 pounders have boxes, the 4 pounders don't.

6pdr. No diagonal bars

Easiest reference is - shock horror - Wikipedia.!  Look under Krupp Artillery, and then C61. You will find four pictures of the 6pdr. As ML says they have boxes, and foot rests,  but the other differences from the 4pdr are the bell at the end of the barrel , and the round rather than square breech. The Hessian artillery monument at Froeschwiller has the barrels of both 4pdr and 6pdr guns set into the tower to act as frames for the glassless windows!  

Mollinary

*Does happy dance because he got something right*

Mollinary

Have tried but cannot find them. Can you give me the link.

Chad

Hi Chad,

I just google "Krupp Artillery".  About the third result was commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/category:Krupp_artillery   Then I looked under C61.

Showed four pictures.

Hope this helps,

Mollinary

Mollinary

Got it. I posted one of those pictures above, but to me it bears little resemblance to the C61 in PPW16 which has the bars either side of the carriage joined diagonally to the wheel support and what look like open boxes/half seats either side of the barrel. Given the diagonal bars and the 'seats/boxes', it looks more like the 4pdr picture I also posted above.

I will have to ask Leon to send me a sample C64.

Chad

Mollinary

I am afraid I am not yet convinced. I now believe PPW16 has a 4pdr carriage with 6pdr barrels. I also looked at some PPW15 I painted last year as 4pdrs. From the photos and your comment on the barrel, I think these are 4pdr barrels with a 6pdr carriage.

Chad

I have swapped barrels and carriages when I read a couple of years ago that only the 4 pdrs had the seats for gunners.

Hi Chad, 

The difference in the Pendraken guns is in the barrels, not the carriages. As you point out, the carriage for the six pounder may not be 100% accurate, but I don't know of anyone else who even does a six pounder in 10mm. Magister Militum only do a four pounder as their "Krupp Artillery". Pendraken do produce two carriages, one with the seats, one without.  As far as I recall, counter intuitively, the horse artillery does not have the seats because all the gunners are mounted?!   So both carriages are suitable for four pounders. To re-produce the 6pdr carriage shown in the Saarlouis photo you could take the one without the seat, cut off the struts, and add a couple of boxes?   A bit of a poser, really!

Mollinary

Mollinary

The PPW15s I painted last year do have a different carriage to the PPW16s. So I have ordered some of the former and will switch the barrels as Leman has done.

Chad

PS Google Prussian Horse Artillery 1866 and have a look at the photos on the Victoriaswars.com site