There's probably a shedload of reverse engineered systems out there (unsurprising, as Pike & Shotte has one!), and I suspect there might be one in the ACW specific book as/when it comes out...

Quote from: toxicpixie on 01 April 2015, 08:37:54 AM
Yep - the book's got ACW scenarios and armies in, but there's no points system as I (after a bit of reading on t'web) understand it.

Quote from: getagrip on 01 April 2015, 08:39:00 AM
Hmm, bit of a deal breaker for me!

Now that you are getting the history bug, Grip, the next thing to do is to try to wean yourself off points systems. A Shining light that opens up wider horizons.

red rum ... red rum ..... Black Powder ..... Black Powder ...... Black Powder .....

Quote from: Westmarcher on 01 April 2015, 09:11:02 AM
Now that you are getting the history bug, Grip, the next thing to do is to try to wean yourself off points systems. A Shining light that opens up wider horizons.

I only want a points system so I know the games are roughly balanced.

I don't want to get into researching which general had what and who wore green uniforms.

As a way of giving something reasonably balanced without much faff, and not requiring a shed load of set up time making asymetrical objectives and clouded info for either side, points systems are fine and dandy and for my mind should be a pre-requisite for any game; if not, there should be some method in the rules of generating a battle that either side can "win" according to their victory conditions/army set up and be enjoyable.

I think peoples "eeeew, points?! I'll catch competition gaming!" stems from bad game design which allows excessive cheese and shoehorns players into shoehorning in bad and ahistorical set ups. As a case in point, the Spearhead points system is superb - generates really good battles that have a brilliant WW2 feel, where neither side can quite know what they're facing or what they're aiming for, or necessarily how well they have to balance do they risk their units getting burnt out to grab a last objective or road junction or can they just hang back and go slow and conserve forces or...

The FoW seems designed to cheese in weirdly good stuff in surprising numbers with odd and badly costed special abilities...

Basically, a "good" points system is a boon and an asset, and helps generate even a "pick up game" that feels right, with a reasonable set of forces either side and doesn't require three weeks setting up the scenerio. A bad system forces you to mash up weirdass combo's in something that might be off Flash Gordon.

Agree entirely. 

I need points to give me a "rough clue."

When I play Warmaster I don't use anywhere near the maximum uber troops and my BKC armies are deliberately lacking in "big boys " and better for it in my opinion. 

Getagrip prepare for a PM.

Quote from: Leman on 01 April 2015, 10:18:40 AM
Getagrip prepare for a PM.

Received and replied; thanks Leman.

Thought you said prepare for PM!

Quote from: getagrip on 01 April 2015, 12:25:11 PM
Received and replied; thanks Leman.

Thought you said prepare for PM!

Go back to your painting table and prepare for Matron

This won't hurt, at all !
Cheers - Phil

Phil,

We've seen your list of injuries! Does "it won't hurt" mean you only need an hour in A&E instead of the weekend...

Matron, matron, what are you doing with that wax carver 5?   

Quote from: toxicpixie on 02 April 2015, 08:37:32 AM
Phil,
We've seen your list of injuries! Does "it won't hurt" mean you only need an hour in A&E instead of the weekend...

I'll have you know, that I was a qualified First Aider, Pixie.....
Though I haven't kept it up to date...and forgotten most of it.  

Quote from: getagrip on 02 April 2015, 09:43:40 AM
Matron, matron, what are you doing with that wax carver 5?   

You need to go to the optician first, you plonker......This is a 12 bore hypodermic syringe....Not a wax 5 !
Sheesh !

Cheers - Phil

Quote from: Techno on 02 April 2015, 09:48:49 AM
I'll have you know, that I was a qualified First Aider, Pixie.....

For you, that's not even training, it's a life skill.

Quote from: Techno on 02 April 2015, 09:48:49 AM
You need to go to the optician first, you plonker......This is a 12 bore hypodermic syringe....Not a wax 5 !
Cheers - Phil

 

Quote from: Techno on 02 April 2015, 09:48:49 AM
I'll have you know, that I was a qualified First Aider, Pixie.....
Though I haven't kept it up to date...and forgotten most of it.  

... and all these opportunities to practise on yourself, too! 

Quote from: Westmarcher on 02 April 2015, 09:54:25 AM
... and all these opportunities to practise on yourself, too! 

I just use a lot of 'thin' superglue........And an inordinate amount of 'industrial' language. 
I need to slow down....Just that tiniest bit...And concentrate a little more, rather than going "Rush, rush, rush !"
I've always been like that though.
"Fidgety Phil, can't keep still !"..Can remember that being said to me when I was very young !

Cheers - Phil.