Quote from: Ben Waterhouse on 06 March 2015, 01:58:14 PM
Islam is a murdering violent ideology, Christianity isn't...

(No matter what the usual moral-equivalent lefties try to assume)

QED

The last 2000 years give the lie to that.

Mind, they give the lie to that for every "religion". Even Buddhism is pretty grim. The actions the Tibetans took under the Dalai Llamas rule were nasty. Can't spill blood? Tie people in leather sacks and beat them to death!

Religion is a human invention designed for social control. The problem is that a great many people are happy to be subjected to that sort of control. It gives them a secure feeling of belonging to the group that is self evidently "right." One group of people I was a bit suspicious of as a youngster and now have absolutely no time for is missionaries. Wish they'd all been boiled and eaten.

Quote from: Ben Waterhouse on 06 March 2015, 01:58:14 PM
Islam is a murdering violent ideology, Christianity isn't...

(No matter what the usual moral-equivalent lefties try to assume)

QED

Erm...Crusades, Catholic priests, several British occupations...and so on.

Religion is fine, nutters are nutters!

The evil will always find an ideology to justify their actions.

Can we just make sure that this doesn't go too far downhill, chaps !
Politics and religion just seem like sure ways to stoke up a bit of bad feeling.

Cheers - Phil.

and its Friday 

Quote from: Techno on 06 March 2015, 03:12:51 PM
Can we just make sure that this doesn't go too far downhill, chaps !
Politics and religion just seem like sure ways to stoke up a bit of bad feeling.

Cheers - Phil.

Hear! Hear!

I think we are all saying the same thing regardless of our own political or religeous beliefs we have no time for those that seem to delight in causing pain and misery on others for any reason.

Amen to that

Quote from: FierceKitty on 06 March 2015, 11:29:48 AM
Another up-note: a Pakistani colleague tells me there's widespread condemnation of that vandalising of statues of the Buddha in her home country, and moves are afoot to reassemble them. Let's hope.

Yet these positive stories usually fail to make the western press as it does not fit with their stereotyping and scaremongering agenda.

cheers
Ian

Quote from: Sandinista on 06 March 2015, 05:27:33 PM
Yet these positive stories usually fail to make the western press as it does not fit with their stereotyping and scaremongering agenda.

cheers
Ian

Yep!  That's all; yep!

Every war needs religious screen to fuel mindless cannon foddler followers and hide economics reasons who unleash the strugles, imho. Despite that, is horrible to say so many precious, delicate and important humanity treasures destroyed for religious propaganda. All fanatics must die!

Please, excuse me about my poor english, but I would to say my opinion.

IS hold up their brand of Islam to justify their many actions but it appears they are also not averse to setting aside their 'principles' when it suits them. It is reported that IS have carried out this destruction because the shrines and statues are false idols. Plausible reason (given IS's religious fervour). Or also a good cover story? Probably both. You see, it is also reported that IS is not averse to selling artefacts to bring in revenue. This makes me wonder how much of their propaganda is simply a charade, showing them destroying artefacts (some of which were copies). I am inclined to believe the reports that IS has levelled Nimrud, given the other atrocities they are reported to have perpetrated. But it makes you wonder how much and what was sold on the black market and how much and what was destroyed? Stripping a museum and levelling a place like Nimrud is a good way of covering your tracks. 

I am someone who only believes what he sees, so religion cannot help me...


Unless there is a religion somewhere wich involves lead mountains...

Quote from: petercooman on 06 March 2015, 07:48:16 PM
I am someone who only believes what he sees, so religion cannot help me...


Unless there is a religion somewhere wich involves lead mountains...

There is!!!

All hail the Dark Lord.

All Hail The Dark Lord!

Quote from: Westmarcher on 06 March 2015, 06:46:17 PM
IS hold up their brand of Islam to justify their many actions but it appears they are also not averse to setting aside their 'principles' when it suits them. It is reported that IS have carried out this destruction because the shrines and statues are false idols. Plausible reason (given IS's religious fervour). Or also a good cover story? Probably both. You see, it is also reported that IS is not averse to selling artefacts to bring in revenue. This makes me wonder how much of their propaganda is simply a charade, showing them destroying artefacts (some of which were copies). I am inclined to believe the reports that IS has levelled Nimrud, given the other atrocities they are reported to have perpetrated. But it makes you wonder how much and what was sold on the black market and how much and what was destroyed? Stripping a museum and levelling a place like Nimrud is a good way of covering your tracks. 

We must remember here that our side looted Babylon in the last 5 years.....The major US base was implicated in the looting.
Not sticking up for IS....  What they do to people is a whole lot worse to what they do to heritage.

Yep.   And in the middle of it all are families and kids 

People tend to be replaced. The loss to archaeology and culture is permanent.

(Don't assume from that last that I don't care if religious people are reviving human sacrifice. I do.)

Quote from: getagrip on 06 March 2015, 09:25:43 PM
Yep.   And in the middle of it all are families and kids 

Yes! Won't someone think of the kids! There have been goats in the Middle East for at least five millennia and they've never killed anyone "for religious reasons" ... won't somebody think of the kids!!

Meh, meh.