Brigade Pack - Idea for you

[Leon]

It's a tricky one, and we do chat about it regularly,  The problem is that as soon as you put together a pack with a certain composition, folks want one slightly different.  Or if you do something for one set of rules, people then want them for a different set.  Then you've got to add them all to the website, and take them to the shows, otherwise people get annoyed that you haven't got what they want on the show stand..., etc. 

We will keep thinking about it, and once we've got the new show stand finished off, we can see what else we can fit on it.

[fsn]

I'm not keen. I've written before that I'd like Napoleonics for example, to be split into command and ... not command.

I'm looking to have big battalions (50-60) figs so am likely to end up with a lot of opportunities for conversion standard bearers.

[fateeore]

Are the Warmaster armies those listed on the website as 1000 point packs?

I have looked at them and wondered what rules they were for.

[Last Hussar]

Fair enough Leon - To be honest I suppose was thinking more along the lines of "Serving Suggestions", rather than something you take along to shows.  "You could have an army like this for ...".  They would not be anything tricky for you - the army packs contain half packs, which seems awkward.  Rather "Bde1 = 1 x cmd, 4 x musket, 1 x Grenadier: £27. makes 5 36 man battalions"  I'd find that more useful that the current army packs.

I'd happily do the maths for you (for free!)

[Leon]

Are the Warmaster armies those listed on the website as 1000 point packs?

Yep, that's them.  We could never call them Warmaster armies for fear of the GW stompy machine...

Fair enough Leon - To be honest I suppose was thinking more along the lines of "Serving Suggestions", rather than something you take along to shows.  "You could have an army like this for ...".  They would not be anything tricky for you - the army packs contain half packs, which seems awkward.  Rather "Bde1 = 1 x cmd, 4 x musket, 1 x Grenadier: £27. makes 5 36 man battalions"  I'd find that more useful that the current army packs.

I'd happily do the maths for you (for free!)

We'll have a think, got quite a bit of other stuff on the plate at the moment, so we'll come back to it sometime.

[Hertsblue]

Bearing in mind that there are so many different periods and even more varieties of rules, wouldn't it be simpler just to give discounts on bulk purchases? For example, 10% off orders over £100. That would give the purchaser the freedom to choose whatever fitted with his rules/organisation whilst offering an incentive to buy in quantity. Like most people I have a entire drawerful of leftover figures from various periods. Buying fixed organisational quantities is only going to compound the problem.

[quasar42]

Yep, a straight volume discount would provide maximum flexibility while rewarding larger purchases. If you want to use the discount to move slower items, army packs are the way to go. 

[fateeore]

Yep, that's them.  We could never call them Warmaster armies for fear of the GW stompy machine...

These days a GW C&D appears to be a useful marketing tool.

Though I take on board why you don't want to have to deal with the hassle.

[kustenjaeger]

Greetings

I normally find I can use army packs pretty well.  The exceptions are usually multiple packs where I may not need all the Prussian 1870 jager for example. 

Taking the 1809 packs I will end up with 2 x Austro-Hungarian and 2 x Austrian which will give me:
(a) 6x German and 6x Hungarian fusilier battalions in two brigades, 2x grenadier battalions (one Hungarian, one German), 
(b) a wing (4 squadrons) of Chevaulegers and a regiment of dragoons (or some mix thereof as the figure does for both)
(c) the 6# guns (excluding howitzers) for 2 brigade batteries and 2 position batteries. 
To that I have/will add some high command, mounted officers, Grenzers, howitzers, limbers and in due course will add 12# guns, Hussars, Uhlans, probably Erzhog Karl Legion, Landwehr, Jagers and possibly Cuirassiers.  The real issue will be painting them given I've got my SYW to break the back of first.

Regards

Edward   

[Leon]

Bearing in mind that there are so many different periods and even more varieties of rules, wouldn't it be simpler just to give discounts on bulk purchases? For example, 10% off orders over £100.

We do unofficially offer people some bonus freebies on bigger orders, but it's all done manually, as it's not coded into the website.  It depends what you order as well, as things like the big BKC packs are already discounted by 15%, so having an automated discount in place would knock another 10% of those when bought in bulk. 

[Chad]

As has been said the various periods and rules
could make the idea very hard to manage.

Also brigades in the early 18th century were largely
ad hoc formations and not of a permanent nature. The
late Napoleonic period could also prove difficult
given the small size of units after campaign losses.

Chad

[Orcs]

I find that most army packs are not exactly what I want. I end up adding to it from the single packs.  Even the 1000 point armies may not fit in with the foeces you wantn to field.  As Leon says this is a minefield.

The issue with larger packs is even with the significant 15% discount on a BKC army pack, it only needs to have a pack or two or a couple of vehicles you do not need to nullify any saving made.

Obviously in this months sale the saving is about 25%, due in part to the labour involved in repackaging the said Armies, however in general this was on a purchase of £100 retail

The question I would ask is

Does a saving of 10-15% on an Army pack actually get you to buy a pack you would not have bought at normal price?

While this saving is nice to the individual it is worth remembering this is money effectively taken out of Dave and Leons pockets.  Who I think we all appreciate are working a lot of hours for the money they recieve.

We all agree that we recive excellent service and value from Pendraken at the normal retail price, so should we be really looking for a discount on a relatively small purchase? 



As per a previous thread - I personaly think as wargamers we are being subsidised.

[Last Hussar]

I don't tend to buy army packs for the very reason the stuff I don't want nullifies the saving.  I wasn't suggesting 'Brigade Packs' are discounted - I just thought it might be a promo headline "This code contains all you need for a command".  Thinking about it it doesn't need extra resources, either on line or at a show - it is just a set collection of packs.

Like I say, just a passing idea.

[MR T]

Just idea? But since you are doing 4-3 on army packs. Why not something on the packs say, 10 packs one free or something like that.  Buy so many tanks and get command tank free etc. 

[get2grips]

Just idea? But since you are doing 4-3 on army packs. Why not something on the packs say, 10 packs one free or something like that.  Buy so many tanks and get command tank free etc. 

Do you fly?