Master list for the new Korean War range - Input required!

[Wulf]

And now you're spelling "yanks" with a lower-case y. Don't antagonise them; they beat you last time....

You'll never make the Dixielanders happy whatever case it's in...

[FierceKitty]

Suits me. I was involved with a Dixie once; a decidedly undistinguished affair, despite her "kindness of strangers" accent.

[Sunray]

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You'll never make the Dixielanders happy whatever case it's in...
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Usually a case of sourmash from Lynchburg Tennessee makes them very happy.  

[Sunray]

Its been a week since Leon launched the preferendum on Korean figures.  The odds are on late smock dressed Brits facing up to thermal clad Chinese - making the era of the conflict the winter of 1950, and the retreat from the UN positions close to the Chinese border (circa 25 Nov 1950) to the new line about 60 miles south of Seoul (25 Jan 1951) . The Chinese run out of steam and we have the so called meatgringer counter attack back up the peninsula to where the ceasefire lines are today just north of 38 th parallel.  There is stalemate from July 52 until the armistice of 27 July 53.

It is an era devoid of armoured (tank battle) engagements .  The Chinese don't even deploy artillery until the summer of 51.  Centurions  park on rams of earth with guns angled skyward to engage targets off the table. All rounds fired are HE.

But thats what the majority voted for - and what we are likely to end up with. (At least one other 10mm manufacturer has opted for  a similar range of winter war, although he may in his wisdom have gone for the parka clad ultra cocooned 1953 look).   Simple sculpt - put 10m head and feet on a 15mm scale torso.

Not too late to change your vote......   But end of the day, when the polls close, I will accept the decision.

Imagine the consequences the day after Brexit- if one could recast one's vote - eh Boris ?

[fsn]

I hear what you say, Sunray.

I feel some "what if's" coming on.

[Schlesien]

Sunray, what vote are you recommending?

[Matt J]

Hang on, hang on, have I read this wrong. I was under the impression all ranges were being done at some point and it was just a simple poll to see which ranges would be most popular   .

Surely it isn't just 3 ranges being so decided by us numpties !

I might need to change my vote as i've starting ordering my armour for early war phase 

Leon, Leoooooon

[Leon]

We're doing all of the ranges, the poll is just to work out which ones are most popular so that we can schedule which order to do sculpt them in.

[Matt J]

phew!

[Techno]

which order to do sculpt them in.

Feet upwards, as normal, as far as I'm concerned. 

Cheers - Phil

[Sunray]

We're doing all of the ranges, the poll is just to work out which ones are most popular so that we can schedule which order to do sculpt them in.

"We (Pendraken) are doing all the ranges" .  The case for the Forum rests.  I have no further questions Me Lord. (Party at the home of a well known sculptor based in Wales)

In response to Schlesin - vote for the figures that give you the style of games you enjoy, on the table of terrain you can afford.  For me I like tank country with moderate hills, a BUA on a vital crossroads, and a bridge or two.  No walk overs, the dice can swing it either way, and fortune favours the bold.

This criteria shapes my vote. My order for T-34/85 (Marty's spank new model!),  BA-64s (buy one get one free) and Gaz jeeps is already in.  I have vintage WGS DAK (possibly sculpted by Phil ) and lightly equipped US Marines who will stand in until the Pendraken masterpieces arrive.  

Substitute 41 Commandos will not be on the table. No one can stand in for the Royals.  

[FierceKitty]

I think Fortune favours the lucky. Sometimes.

[Techno]

I have vintage WGS DAK (possibly sculpted by Phil )

Not me, Guv......I've only ever made a handful of 'vehicles', and those were Ral Partha tanky type things for Battlemech.

Cheers - Phil

[Sunray]

Late surge by North Korea - I may not need those  stand in WGS figures after all!

[Sunray]

Late surge by North Korea - I may not need those  stand in WGS figures after all!   All this tension is not good for Leon's nerves.

Now is the prospect of a winter clad war game turned to glorious summer by these sons of the KPA 

Interesting to see if it is matched by a boom in T34 sales.

[fsn]

May I repeat my plea for some extra Communist SMG poses?

Also, could we sneak in a Korean porter figure?

[Sunray]

The porter type figure- as illustrated- would be justified.  It was the lack of this basic logistical component that led to the Communist counter attack running out of steam (food, ammo, essential supplies) and allowed the UN to regroup.     The communists learned from this mistake about tactical overstretch.  Hence the porter battalions of Viet Min and Viet Cong. 

A second figure with the SMG would not go amiss.

[Sunray]

Well it looks at 30 votes that the polls have closed.   It is difficult to decide on figures without seeing them.  Interested on what Leon's take is.  The remarkable feature of the Korean war is the range in dress and gear between Summer 1950, Winter 1950, summer 51 and the following winter.

The opposition needs to match in clothing - otherwise its the equivalent of Ardennes Germans circa 1944 meeting 8th Army Brits in desert gear.

[Rifleman65]

My dad was in Korea from the Inchon landing till after the armistice in 53.   He told me he never saw an sks rifle used there. In fact the first one he ever saw was at a gun show in the late 1980s. Are there photos of its use there? 

[Sunray]

My dad was in Korea from the Inchon landing till after the armistice in 53.   He told me he never saw an sks rifle used there. In fact the first one he ever saw was at a gun show in the late 1980s. Are there photos of its use there? 

Welcome to the forum Rifleman.  You raise an interesting topic.  I have scoured US Intel reports from the war and have never seen a reference to an SKS being captured.  I have seen no photographic evidence.

Now that does not mean the weapon was not issued in small numbers for field trial. The Soviets were already re-equipping with the AK-47, so would have tons of surplus.

The source that has inspired war game figure designers is the Osprey illustrated guide.  But this may be based on an exhibit in the Yonssan Museum.   And museums can get things wrong as does wikipedia

The Chinese started their massive production of the SKS in 1956, but did they have Soviet samples as early as 1950?

The only American source is Colonel David H Hackworth in his book About Face.   The book is ghost written by Julie Sherman and is more anecdotal  than factual.

We considered these arguments and hence the token representation of the SKS in the Pendraken Korean range. 
Personally I have to go with the evidence - and it won't be in my KPA, but the option is there if anyone wants to go with the popular Osprey inspired narrative.

By 1956 the SKS was in widespread service.  Warminister has examples captured in Suez. And the Pendraken range is designed to have utility as bush war Soviet client groups.   Some of mine will be painted up as Ethiopians - who had the SKS.

If any forum can find Primary Source material or photos of SKS in Korea, I would be most interested.