Dux bellorum - First band, some help requested

[Techno]

As for Wales, well isn't mentioning that like commenting on a wart on a lady's lip?

Just remember the 'nationality' of the gentleman who makes the wee tanks, Nobby. 
Cheers - Ffill

[Luddite]

As for Wales, well isn't mentioning that like commenting on a wart on a lady's lip?

Well, i normally try to avoid this sort of thing, except with our Doughboy cousins across the pond or of course with les grenouilles (but both of those are just affectionate ribbing and banter).

However...i alwyas quite liked Wales.  My maternal grandmother was Welsh.  My wife is part Welsh.

The 4 years ago i went to a friend's wedding in South Wales (he married a Welsh girl).

His house is like a fortress - replete with barbed wire and CCTV - as it is regularly attacked by the local Welsh neighbours.  His car was a wreck - regularly keyed, mirrors bashed off, dented, tyres cut, etc.  Because he's English, he and his partner said in a matter-of-fact way.  'Shocked', didn't cover my feelings on that.

Then at the wedding itself, the small 'English contingent' was ignored by the majority Welsh crowd in a prickly, brooding atmosphere.
At the reception, the snubbing continued, and when the other Welsh locals at the reception venue heard our accents, the trouble started.
The trouble ended with us being physically attacked in the lobby of our hotel.
The police arrived at 2am to 'keep the peace'.  There were no arrests despite our protestations.  A hotel fire door was off its hinges.  There were three black eyes.  The police took details of our vehicles in the carpark.
Two weeks later i received a notice of intention to prosecute from the local Welsh police - for an alleged speeding offence, which i'd apparently committed at 2.10pm, when i was in the church watching the wedding ceremony.  Took quite some time, stress, and effort to get that sorted and the notice dropped.

So my experience of the Welsh, and of Wales is not one i wish to repeat.

I've lived in several countries, in some good and some very rough places too.  I've never felt such visceral hate towards me, just because i'm English.

[Steve J]

Hmmm, not great Luddite to say the least . Fingers crossed I've never had any problems with being English in Wales. A former colleague who was Welsh hated it when English people went into the pub and then everyone started to speak only in Welsh. No wonder Bristolians have a great deal of animosity towards the Welsh if they behave like that .

[fsn]

I apologise for the way this thread has deteriorated. I mean no real offence to our Cymric cousins, just a gentle leg-pulling in the full knowledge that our resident putty puller lives in the land of no vowels.

I've lived in several countries, in some good and some very rough places too.  I've never felt such visceral hate towards me, just because i'm English.

Hae ye no been to Scotland?

[jchaos79]

Hey gentelmens, any comment about Dux Bellorum or fan list arab/muslim expansion?

[Ithoriel]

I lived in Aberystwyth, probably the most Welsh part of Wales at the time, for about 10 months back in the 70's and never had a problem with the locals, despite a noticeable Yorkshire accent. It seemed to me that problems tended to arise when an Englishman expecting to be snubbed met a Welshman expecting to be patronised and each proceeded to prove the other right.

[Rob]

I am frankly amazed at that. I lived in Manmoel and worked in Oakdale and Newbridge, and was also a member of the Cardiff wargames club (at Taff's Well) for a total of two years and never ever experienced anything like that, in fact completely the opposite. I made many really good Welsh friends and was on the brink of moving there to take up a permanent role at General Dynamics until Gordon Brown's sound-bite fantasy hole in the MoD budget appeared and they were forced to cancel either FRES (GD were working on FRES) or the aircraft carriers.

I also invited English mates down to watch Rugby league challenge cup finals at Milleneum and Rugby League magic weekends in Cardiff mixed in with some Welsh mates and every on got on famously together.

[Leman]

I grew up as a boy from England in Wales. Never came across any animosity, and indeed ended up being able to speak some Welsh and able to pronounce it correctly. I say boy from England as that's where I was born, but I prefer to think of myself as British as my ancestry is predominantly Celtic, with a lot of other stuff thrown in as well. Anyway, as Jchaos says - any more thoughts on Moorish armies in Dux Bellorum?

[Luddite]

Hey gentelmens, any comment about Dux Bellorum or fan list arab/muslim expansion?

You're right jc..  back on topic.  Soryy for the threadjack.   

[Steve J]

From Warmaster Medieval Armies:

The Almoravid Moors
Hasham Guard Cavalry - Max 1 unit (armed with javelins and shields, employed to guard commanders)
Jinetes - Max 4 units (light cavalry armed with javelins)
Black Guard - Min1/Max 2 units (tasked with guarding the Caliph)
Almoravid Spearmen - Min 4 units (the core of the army)
Almoravid Archers - Cannot have more archers than spearmen (Apparently these were deployed within the spearmen, so maybe you could add a shooting stat to the spearmen units? Alternatively, have the archers deployed in front of the spearmen, and they can retreat through when close combat beckons?)
Skirmishers - (no unit min or max given) Mainly javelin armed with some detached archers for longer range shooting.

Hopefully the above should give you some useful info to come up with a list. I can see the leader being deplyed with the Hasham Cavalry and the Black Guard being elite foot soldiers. The spearmen and archers are your rank and file, with the Jinetes being skirmishing cavalry. The other skirmish units pretty much as per the book.

Hope this helps?

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Do you think you need:
Allied Andalusian Light cavalry, 0-1 bow armed, rest javelin armed🐴

[jchaos79]

Thanks Steve J, I know that list and belongs to XI-XII century, and even the list is from the Peninsula is not dark ages.

I base the Dux bellorum list in a simplify version of Expansion of islam armylist from warmaster armies, which belongs to dark ages VIII - X and I think fits better to face vikings (IX century).

I will try to paint in the next week a small force and then make some games.

Not sure about the max - min of dux bellorum, but I should go for something like:

1x Emir or clanleader 5
3x warrior   9
3x arhcers   9
1x mount sk archers   2
2x mount sk jabalin    4
1x camel       3

Total 32 points

is it a large force of dux bellorum or is it ok?

[Steve J]

Sorry, didn't realise you wanted the early list . Should have read the whole topic as it would have been clear to me . From what you have written so far it looks ok to me. The only real way to tell is to try the list out over several games and scenarios.

[FierceKitty]

I personally think leeks are very tasty.

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

I personally think leeks are very tasty.

But cats can only eat meat...

Someone pointed out that there is an official forum for Dux Belloram. It certainly has Sassinids on it.

IanS