Dux bellorum - First band, some help requested

[Leman]

You'll have to try it out mate, but i'd suggest mounted skirmishers with bow range 4 will tear the Viking footsloggers to pieces.   

Well the bloody Vikings shouldn't be there - they'll get too hot and end up sliding down the Iron Maiden - 

[jchaos79]

Thank you very much for the feedback!!

Never played but I see pictis list as:

ordinary warriors 0-9
Mount sk 0-4

what do you suggest for  max ?

Maybe

warrior 0-4  I see a lot of list have warriors 0-9 Is it too much to use 0-6? (sorry for insist but I would like a more detail explanation)
archers 0-3
skirmishers 0-3
Mounted sk jabalin 0-4
Mount sk archer 0-2
Camels 0-1



I do not get the idea of camel/horses in contact only... sorry. If they are in contact, how it is suppose the horses to fail the bravery test?

Fenton, could be good the monks for the zeal, but for me could be a little complicated, I would like at first instance as simple as I can. It is a good idea for a second approach of the list.

About the "volunteers" mutatawi limitation only to warriors. A limitation could be that you only could buy this strategy if you are the aggressor to simluate the quick expansion of the islam.

[jchaos79]

Well the bloody Vikings shouldn't be there - they'll get too hot and end up sliding down the Iron Maiden -  

Historically the vikings were beaten by the muslims (in naval and also in terrain)  - more or less  

[Leman]

J can't really help on this as I know little about the age of Islamic expansion.

[jchaos79]

  I know something about islamic/byzanatine world but England dark ages always has been confusing for me. Since I bought Dux B. I am focusing my reading about in the subject, and is not easy at all.

Anyway, thanks Dour Puritan

[Steve J]

Warhammer Historical: Age of Arthur is an excellent wargaming resource. Sadly out of print and generally rather expensive second hand. Luckily I managed to get one for around £20 earlier in the year, so worth keeping an eye out for. Dux Brittaniarum by Too Fat Lardies is appearently useful as well and available as a pdf.

Others may pop along for other recommendations, but IMHO these give enough info for us wargamers.

[jchaos79]

I have Age of arthur book, but is not here where I actually live. So when I went home by christmas I should rescue the book and bring it to North.

By now I am reading few osprays.

[Luddite]

but England dark ages always has been confusing for me.

Yep, it confuses most people - hence 'the dark ages'!

Most of what we 'know' comes from archaeology, and a very few written sources (mainly Gildas, and the later plagiarised work by Bede).

[fsn]

Dark Ages? Easy. The Romans left and turned off the light. The people remaining slept in apart from the Welsh who live in a land of perpetual darkness anyway, and so the Welsh stole all the history and rewrote it so that it all happened west of Offa's Dyke. Then a dodgy character called Arthur appeared and gave it large to some innocent Danish tourists. He disliked their annual trips to the country, that they Came-a-lot. His wife Genny was from Essex, so had it away with some French geezer. Or this might just have been bed time reading for the illiterate peasants and their elephants.

Another bloke was also hacked off with Danish tourists - didn't even like the bacon. He was more a cakes sort of guy. Preferred a bit of manor house to a bacon sarnie any day. His name was Alf. Alf Kipling. 

Some more Danes came over. One was a right Cnutter and went for a paddle. Then goody-goodies started writing reports about the goings on. One of these guys at Jarrow was a bit venerable and kept his Bedey eye on what was happening. Anyway, one of the Norwegians, right dozy pillock, was heading for Newcastle, but took a wrong turn at the Orkneys and found Greenland. Was Eric's face red at that one! After that he was known as "Eric the Pillock Who Didn't Turn Left at Scapa".

Then the Normans came with an order for some wall hangings. Harry, who was in charge of the gaff at the time, would have dealt with the matter, but he was too busy watching "900 years until England wins the World Cup". 

[fsn]

I know something about islamic/byzanatine world but England dark ages always has been confusing for me. Since I bought Dux B. I am focusing my reading about in the subject, and is not easy at all.

Hang on!  You can get the Byzantines stuff, but have difficulty with English history? When something is tortuous and complicated they don't say "Well, that's a bit English." 

I repeat - 

[jchaos79]

I just read more about byzantine and muslim than english history. But I am far from being an expert (in any period)! just a wargamer.

I see you have clear vision of the history of the Island.

[fsn]

Well, England is only half the island. Scottish history of the period is just as interesting. 

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

FSN I hate to disagree with you, but England is larger than Scotland, and you fail to account for Wales in your equation to.
Plus the country of Berwick.
The Liberty of Norton Follgate.
Sealand

Scotland was united long before England ever got its act together. 

[FierceKitty]

Byzantine history has the incentive of being interesting, and the bonus of armies worth gaming with.

[fsn]

FSN I hate to disagree with you, but England is larger than Scotland, and you fail to account for Wales in your equation to.

Was just pointing out the oft neglected northern portion of these her isles. Was a geographical rather than a mathematical comment. As for Wales, well isn't mentioning that like commenting on a wart on a lady's lip?

Byzantine history has the incentive of being interesting, and the bonus of armies worth gaming with.

Interesting is as interesting does. I find Byzantine history interesting to a point, but all the politics and palace shenanigans gets awfully tedious.