CWC2 After Action Reports

Started by Superscribe, 21 June 2022, 01:25:04 PM

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Superscribe

We had our first game on Sunday: 5000pts Encounter Scenario Soviet v British circa 1985, with good mix of unit types on both sides so we could checkout many of the rules. We had 3 British HQs and 2 Soviet HQs along with FACs/FAOs. Table was 180cm x 120cm. We didn't get through many game turns as we were finding our way through the rules.

It was quite close terrain as you can see in the photo so there was very little opportunity for any long-range fire.

We opted to deploy Recce in the nearest 1/3 of the table (rather than Rules P75, in our own half of the table). This increased the distance to enemy units and therefore affected their ability to get successful recce comms.  We had several recce failures, as many were having to throw 6s, but we did have one successful recce-spotted off-table arty strike, but it was hitting on 6s so was not very effective. Next time we will use the full half-table for recce deployment to improve their chances of getting successful comms!

We had commanded air strikes (as no assets in Encounter Scenario) and one ground attack came in (after saving the one AA hit it received) against armour in the open, but as expected with the rule change to hit on 6s it was quite ineffective against full AFVs. 

One Attack Helicopter attack came in but we played this incorrectly and as we were out of time we did not replay it to correct the method of attack. We had a dedicated FAC but missed the fact that in General Attack Mode they should be deployed on the table along with other units, and then move up to 50cm per command throw to manoeuvre into a position or use pop-up to attack enemy visible to the FAC (or visible to recce if using recce comms to the FAC). We will play it correctly next time.

One success was a Chieftain squadron that arrived on a hill, behind the crest so had soft cover protection, and despite T-64s' attempt to suppress/kill with opportunity fire, the Chieftains were able to kill 2 out of 3 T-64s at long range.  Russian players wished their T-64s had been the version with ATGM – maybe next time!

We all enjoyed the game and will be organizing another one quite soon, probably with similar forces and terrain - hopefully we will get in more game turns and try out more rules   
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Lord Kermit of Birkenhead

Don't tend to use points myself rather formations. I would sugest more HQ's on 5000 pts you can get most of a Soviet Tank Rget which would have 4 HQ's - CO - 3 Btn HQ's. The British would have 2 battlegroups, so 5 HQ's - 2 for each battlegroup and the "Brigade" HQ. Remember to have Recce elements these have a vital roll. Keep posting and ASK QUESTIONS.
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Superscribe

I do normally use orbats but for this game I wanted a selection of different unit types so we could explore the rules.  For Soviets we had Tk Bn and MR Bn (hence 2 HQs) with some recce, air, hels and on/off table arty, plus FAO/FAC. For the Brits a Mech Bn and Tk Regt with some ATGW, hels, air, on/off table arty and recce split in to 3 combat teams (3 HQs) plus FAO/FACs.

Big Insect

Looks great Chris - and a bold/brave move going with a large number of points.

As discussed on the other thread - I am liking the way you are playing Recce - that works for me (all be it that it is the result of some 'sloppy' wording by me).

What scale are you playing? It looks like 15mm?

The Scenarios are a good way to get to grips with the games as the restrictions mean you cannot get overly complicated (well you could, if you tried) :D

The 3 Chieftains hull-down dishing the dirt on the T64s sounds about right - I'd recommend a 3:1 advantage to an attacker usually, but that Scenario is a balanced one.

Do please keep this sort of post coming.
Thanks
Mark
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Ithoriel

The first set are visible but small - a link to a preview thumbnail, maybe?

Second set don't show and looking at the code behind them it doesn't look like a link to an image file.

On ImageShack you can tick an image or images and get the system to generate the links you need so you can cut and paste them into the image pop-up.

I imagine Flikr has an equivalent function. 
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Superscribe

21 June 2022, 04:30:21 PM #5 Last Edit: 22 June 2022, 02:50:49 PM by Leon
OK try sharing again - can these be viewed OK?
Table by Chris Holt, on Flickr

Soviets by Chris Holt, on Flickr

Brits by Chris Holt, on Flickr

mrkev

Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 21 June 2022, 02:01:25 PMDon't tend to use points myself rather formations. I would sugest more HQ's on 5000 pts you can get most of a Soviet Tank Rget which would have 4 HQ's - CO - 3 Btn HQ's. The British would have 2 battlegroups, so 5 HQ's - 2 for each battlegroup and the "Brigade" HQ. Remember to have Recce elements these have a vital roll. Keep posting and ASK QUESTIONS.

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever compiled a list of CWC2 formations?  I know there are guides out there to make your own from an orbat but it could be valuable for the newcomer if pre-made formations were in a central space

sultanbev

Quote from: mrkev on 22 June 2022, 10:23:42 AMOut of curiosity, has anyone ever compiled a list of CWC2 formations?  I know there are guides out there to make your own from an orbat but it could be valuable for the newcomer if pre-made formations were in a central space

I do have permission from Leon to do CWC2 unit specific lists in the MicroMark collection, in the same way I did/will do BKCIV lists, but haven't started yet. I'm not convinced all the stats are settled yet.

Big Insect

Quote from: sultanbev on 22 June 2022, 11:00:40 AMI do have permission from Leon to do CWC2 unit specific lists in the MicroMark collection, in the same way I did/will do BKCIV lists, but haven't started yet. I'm not convinced all the stats are settled yet.


I'd agree with that statement Mark ... I'd let thing settle down a bit 1st - but which formations were you looking for specifically mrkev?
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Lord Kermit of Birkenhead

I have a spread sheet which allows you to calaclate points on a variable points value. PM me for a copy, may take a day or two I'm storing 20 yrs worth of stuff.
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mrkev

Quote from: Big Insect on 22 June 2022, 12:15:44 PMI'd agree with that statement Mark ... I'd let thing settle down a bit 1st - but which formations were you looking for specifically mrkev?

I'm not sure really!  I've got 80s Brits and Soviets, it'd be interesting to see how close my setup is to a more formal formation. I'm thinking mainly of the total newcomer and what would help them get started.

Lord Kermit of Birkenhead

You can almost generalise to cover all armies - infantry have 3 fighting companies and a support weapons company if Nato, Pact in BTR or OT 3 fighting companies with support weapons section added (2 ATGW and 2 GL) plus 120mm mortar bty, BMP lack the support weapons in companies. Armour not quite as standard - most Btn/Rgt have 3 companies/squadrons, most have 3 platoons/troops but the British have 4. Artillery is more difficult I'd use 1 model for 3-4 guns on table, and 6-8 for off table.

Recce 2 to 4 models per Nato btn - may be Jeeps, armoured cars or APC's
3-4 Models per Rgt for Pact stuff with Armoured cars and either PT-76 or BMR (BMP varient)
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