Can AP shooting suppress AFV?

Started by Dave Fielder, 29 December 2021, 10:48:15 PM

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fred.

I get the AP = armour piercing. 

But what two abbreviations for BKC would you suggest for attacks vs Infantry and Armour?
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Quote from: T13A on 30 December 2021, 06:49:18 PMBy the way one of the things I find very annoying with BKC is using the abbreviation AP for 'anti-personnel', AP IS 'armour piecing'.

Me too. I write anti-personnel as A/P rather than AP in the BKC lists I've written in an attempt to distinguish.

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QuoteI get the AP = armour piercing.

But what two abbreviations for BKC would you suggest for attacks vs Infantry and Armour?
Inf and Arm? S and H for soft and hard? Anything but AP for anti-personnel. I have to stop, for a fraction of a second, every time.
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31 December 2021, 05:10:53 AM #18 Last Edit: 31 December 2021, 06:08:31 AM by Heedless Horseman
I believe usual descriptions for small arms ammo are 'Ball' and 'Tracer' (Ba / Tr?) . AP is always an Armour Piercing round. Hope helps.  :)

T13A. Good info! Curious about ammo for ranging .50... why did it stop at 3 rounds? Surely belt fed not a clip?
Back in 70s, I used WRG Rules for 'Modern' Microarmour... comment seems to confirm rules. I did think they were great for Armour... but pathetic for Infantry.

WRG. 'Western' 120s, 105s firing APDS were Deadly... never bothered with other amo and 'Russian' sb 115s... much less so.
Not being 'in the know', I cannot see why the change to smooth bore guns... except, maybe barrel life / cost and computer / laser ranging?
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My understanding is that smooth bore is much better for fin stabilised discarding sabot.

It also allows for missiles to be fired.
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Thge ranging gun fired in 3 round clips. Prior to it's introduction crews fired 3 main rounds - one up, one down and one on in that order. Given the balistic drop on the L7 was 2m in 3000 I suspect that the over and on rounds would both hit. On WRG rules I used to use a squadron of Scorpions as HESH in those rules had KO as a result.
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Quote from: fred. on 30 December 2021, 08:36:40 PMI get the AP = armour piercing.

But what two abbreviations for BKC would you suggest for attacks vs Infantry and Armour?

S - soft
H - hard
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31 December 2021, 11:34:59 AM #22 Last Edit: 31 December 2021, 05:04:05 PM by Leon
Quote from: T13A on 30 December 2021, 06:49:18 PMBy the way one of the things I find very annoying with BKC is using the abbreviation AP for 'anti-personnel', AP IS 'armour piecing'. :P

The whole "what do we call non-armour piercing fire?" has been debated long & hard Paul and to-date nobody has managed to come up with a good 2 letter alternative. I am open to options  :)

 


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AI being Anti-Infantry I assume?

But our Anti-personell also covers expulsive ammunition rounds, so will damage more than just infantry (ie. other Soft targets) ... tricky
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You mean like trucks that are neither Infantry or Personnel ;)
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Well as I and flamingopig0 suggested, H for Hard (armour, bunkers, etc) and S for Soft (infantry, heavy weapons, gun crews, jeeps, trucks and lightly built buildings)?

Just a thought.
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John Cook

Not familiar with BKC in its latest iteration but it looks like the author might have used standard NATO/UK MOD abbreviations for which AP is the acronym for a number of things including armour-piercing and anti-personnel.  The UK MOD, at least before I retired in 2010, followed NATO protocols but had the addition of APers for anti-personnel, presumably to avoid confusions.  NATO standard;D

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Maybe Hard Fire (HF) and Soft Fire (SF) might work, but still not 100% convinced myself.
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Ithoriel

If it needs to be two letters, how about HT and ST - Hard Target/ Soft Target?
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