Thge ranging gun fired in 3 round clips. Prior to it's introduction crews fired 3 main rounds - one up, one down and one on in that order. Given the balistic drop on the L7 was 2m in 3000 I suspect that the over and on rounds would both hit. On WRG rules I used to use a squadron of Scorpions as HESH in those rules had KO as a result.

Quote from: fred. on 30 December 2021, 08:36:40 PMI get the AP = armour piercing.

But what two abbreviations for BKC would you suggest for attacks vs Infantry and Armour?

S - soft
H - hard

Quote from: T13A on 30 December 2021, 06:49:18 PMBy the way one of the things I find very annoying with BKC is using the abbreviation AP for 'anti-personnel', AP IS 'armour piecing'.

The whole "what do we call non-armour piercing fire?" has been debated long & hard Paul and to-date nobody has managed to come up with a good 2 letter alternative. I am open to options 

 

Spearhead uses AT & AI

AI being Anti-Infantry I assume?

But our Anti-personell also covers expulsive ammunition rounds, so will damage more than just infantry (ie. other Soft targets) ... tricky

You mean like trucks that are neither Infantry or Personnel

Well as I and flamingopig0 suggested, H for Hard (armour, bunkers, etc) and S for Soft (infantry, heavy weapons, gun crews, jeeps, trucks and lightly built buildings)?

Just a thought.

Not familiar with BKC in its latest iteration but it looks like the author might have used standard NATO/UK MOD abbreviations for which AP is the acronym for a number of things including armour-piercing and anti-personnel.  The UK MOD, at least before I retired in 2010, followed NATO protocols but had the addition of APers for anti-personnel, presumably to avoid confusions.  NATO standard;D

Maybe Hard Fire (HF) and Soft Fire (SF) might work, but still not 100% convinced myself.

If it needs to be two letters, how about HT and ST - Hard Target/ Soft Target?

Quote from: Ithoriel on 01 January 2022, 02:03:31 PMIf it needs to be two letters, how about HT and ST - Hard Target/ Soft Target?

That would be better if, as you say, it has to be two letters.

Quote from: flamingpig0 on 01 January 2022, 04:22:05 PMThat would be better if, as you say, it has to be two letters.

Have a look an UK MOD Acronyms and Abbreviations.  If it isn't in there, I'd say it doesn't exist.  There must be one in there for what is needed.  Basic natures include Armour Piercing (AP), Anti-Personnel (APers), Anti-Material (AM), Anti-Personnel Anti-Material (APAM), Armour Piercing High Explosive (APHE), Armour Piercing High Explosive Incendiary (APHEI), White Phosphorous (WP) etc, etc., before you get onto specific types of anti armour natures an so on. 

I'm not a BKC user but I would have thought the ammunition nature and the weapon system, and its ability to defeat the target type, was the key feature, not the target per se.

Perhaps I don't understand the issue properly.

Quote from: John Cook on 02 January 2022, 09:38:24 AMHave a look an UK MOD Acronyms and Abbreviations.  If it isn't in there, I'd say it doesn't exist.  There must be one in there for what is needed.  Basic natures include Armour Piercing (AP), Anti-Personnel (APers), Anti-Material (AM), Anti-Personnel Anti-Material (APAM), Armour Piercing High Explosive (APHE), Armour Piercing High Explosive Incendiary (APHEI), White Phosphorous (WP) etc, etc., before you get onto specific types of anti armour natures an so on. 

I'm not a BKC user but I would have thought the ammunition nature and the weapon system, and its ability to defeat the target type, was the key feature, not the target per se.

Perhaps I don't understand the issue properly.

It is about using easily understood and unambiguous terminology- I suspect that to most people AP means armour piercing.

Quote from: flamingpig0 on 02 January 2022, 03:24:35 PMIt is about using easily understood and unambiguous terminology-

Tell that to Phil Barker!

AP to me is Armour Piecing

QuoteAP to me is Armour Piecing

and me

Quote from: Orcs on 02 January 2022, 04:49:45 PMTell that to Phil Barker!

I was reading DBMM online and the computer asked me if "I wanted this Indonesian document translated"- and that isn't made up.

Acronyms smacronyms ... don't think anyone I've ever used hasn't had another meaning. Who watched the recent Doctor Who series? What the Flux ... or did I misread that title?