First Look: Chain of Command by Too Fat Lardies

Started by Ferb, 17 June 2013, 09:04:54 AM

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TinyTerrain

Someone needs some terrain making  ;)













I take commissions  :D

Cheers,

Craig
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fred.

Quote from: Wulf on 20 June 2013, 09:22:54 PM
While I don't know Crossfire, comments on that on BoardGameGeek seem to confirm the need for dense terrain. I agree, it does sound from that report like movement is judged by terrain. There seems to be no mention of distances.


The videos explaining the game mention measured movement with dice rolls to determine how for.
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Sunjester - I think it will be more like TW&T, with a separate gun group.  As it happens mine are originally based for PBI, 3 bases in a section - 1 LMG, and 2 with 7 figures between them, so anyone playing 10mm will need to remember that.  No reason the Rifle Group can't be 7 men/2 bases, with a die counting down (and maybe a base removed once at 1/2, like we do for TW&T)

As we have plenty of 20mm, its not going to be a problem!  This could be our September game...

And before you say anything about not having a June game yet - my dining room table is covered in stuff from Kitchen cabinets, and B&Q don't deliver the new ones for 3 weeks!
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sunjester

Quote from: Last Hussar on 21 June 2013, 01:28:48 AM
As we have plenty of 20mm, its not going to be a problem!  This could be our September game...

And before you say anything about not having a June game yet - my dining room table is covered in stuff from Kitchen cabinets, and B&Q don't deliver the new ones for 3 weeks!

It's a shame that you have to put the "real world" over the more important things in life, like beer and wargaming!  :P ;D

Last Hussar

 :(

Do you know how many 10 mil I could have got for the cost of a kitchen! Over 7800 infantry.  I could have Nic buy and paint about 900!  They sneaked in a £10 cutlery draw into the order.  I could have bought one in B&M for a couple of quid.  The dishwasher that we can now fit better be worth it
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sunjester

Quote from: Wulf on 20 June 2013, 07:08:59 PM
The main worry I have over these rules, and those like them, is the dependence on terrain, and plenty of it. The pictures are gorgeous, but there's no way I could replicate that on my table. And from the narrative, it sounds like the game make a lot of use of the terrain. It would be a very different game with sparse terrain...

Are there any sets of WW2 rules where terrain doesn't play an important role, especially at a skirmish level?
After all no battlefields were completely flat, even the Libyan desert. Patches of rocks or scrub, wadis, rises and folds in the ground, there was a lot of stuff to get in the way, especially at this sort of level.

sunjester

Quote from: Last Hussar on 21 June 2013, 01:11:11 PM
:(

Do you know how many 10 mil I could have got for the cost of a kitchen! Over 7800 infantry.  I could have Nic buy and paint about 900!  They sneaked in a £10 cutlery draw into the order.  I could have bought one in B&M for a couple of quid.  The dishwasher that we can now fit better be worth it

The first time you mentioned this to me you said you were taking a week off to "do some painting" and maybe replace a few cupboard doors. How did this get to a whole new kitchen? :o
More importantly doesn't she realise yet you have a metal habit than needs feeding? ;)

Wulf

Quote from: sunjester on 21 June 2013, 01:11:52 PM
Are there any sets of WW2 rules where terrain doesn't play an important role, especially at a skirmish level?
After all no battlefields were completely flat, even the Libyan desert. Patches of rocks or scrub, wadis, rises and folds in the ground, there was a lot of stuff to get in the way, especially at this sort of level.
Yes, but there's a difference between miniature troops using cover and game rules using it. The Russian Steppe is far less 'populated' with features than Normandy - would troops move further?

However, fred suggests that movement is measured in some way by distance, so it's less of a concern.

Last Hussar

At higher levels you can say "That area is ...." but at low/skirmish level it is importany.  In 20mm TW&T is virtually at figure scale.  SUre there are fields that would have no terrain in a yard of table, but do you really want to advance across it?  Go for a drive in the country, pass through a village, and you will see how dense even modern fields can be.  At this level cover really counts in leaders plans.
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TinyTerrain

Hi

Good news, a release date has been announced for these rules of 21st August. Having played them (with Rich of Too Fat Lardies umpiring) I can thoroughly recommend them and can confirm they ate suitable for 10mm.

Keep your eyes on the Too Fat Lardies Blog for more info,

Cheers,

Craig
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Nosher

Noticed that this morning Craig.

I missed out when they came to our club to run a demo however i am very reliably informed that these rules are superb and I will be making a purchase!
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Ferb

For those of you worried that you will need lots of terrain take a look at this from the TFL website. They play a game without any terrain at all!

fred.

I'm looking forward to these - they look very clever, without being gamey.
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TinyTerrain

For those of you who are interested the pre-order bundes for Chain of Command have just been listed on the TFL website.

http://toofatlardies.co.uk/index.php?main_page=products_new&zenid=01b62ff956a72f0352afeed3c4c57fcf

Ive ordered the rules only bundle as I will be playing in 15mm and to be frank will use existing markers and dice......plus some recently home-made for the puropse jump off markers   :D

Best regards,

Craig
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Nosher

My orders in - same bundle.

In time honoured tradition of my White Rose County forefathers, I have taken the cheapest possible route and will make do with other markers I have or will scratch build something appropriate :)

Haven't been looking forward to a set of rules like this since BKC came out :-bd
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Duke Speedy of Leighton

Give us a score out of ten for this one lads, I may be tempted.
Pros & cons?
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Steve J

Same for me, the rules only bundle. I will choose the pdf. rather than the tablet option, as the latter is of no interest to me. Give me hard copies anytime. I too will be going down the 15mm as well as the 10mm route.

@ Mad Lemmey: I'd check out the TFL Blog as they have plenty of examples of the game, plus some very useful Youtbue guides to play. I'd give it at least 9/10 based on what I've seen, but probably 10/10 when I've got my grubby mits on the book. Correct tactics appear to be rewarded in these rules as opposed to playing the rules, not the period. BTW the latest wargames mags seem to be full of articles relating to this given that the game is released in August.

Hope this helps?

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Fenton

Hoping to get a game at the end of August...looks fun
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Nosher

Here's some feedback from a mate that organised the TFL demo at SADWC last month.

I very much trust his opinions as he's a really quite splendid chap with years of wargaming experience under his belt. He's also very knowledgeable and gives a very fair overview of all the games he plays.


"The game is absolutely great. Even though we were all learners we comfortably finished the game in the evening and all thought it was brilliant. Indeed this is the only rule set I can recall where no one had any reservations or dislikes at all in the post game analysis.

We did an attack/defence game which was very useful as I wanted to see how the patrol phase would work in this type of scenario rather than encounter.

The game had a road running the length of the table (playing short end to short end) with a village at our end plus the usual hedges and walls etc (looked great!).  Brits defending with a full platoon and a Vickers. Germans attacking with a full platoon, 75mm infantry gun and Sdkfz222.

In an attack defence game the defender starts his patrol phase from the center of the objective. The attack starts table edge but rolls to see how many jumps in he starts. So in this case Sean rolled and got 4 free moves with his patrol markers before I started moving ours. If you have seen the "Exposed AAR" on Lard Island I now understand what the deployment triangles mean!

The game was great - ending with a victory for the Germans.

Thoughts afterward - Elegant yet simple mechanisms – easy to pick up and intuitive after a couple of turns - Really keeps you engaged even if not the active player - Makes you focus on your leaders and use of sound tactics more than any other rule set - Reflects the different tactical doctrines of each side very well - Enables proper fire and movement - the patrol phase is a masterstroke and the jump off points a really clever idea

So all in all - can't wait!"
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