Quote from: Nosher on 12 April 2013, 03:24:36 PM
Glad I am going to Salute so I can thumb them in the flesh before parting with cash

So many jokes...  

Dave's always up for a good 'thumbing'... 

Quote from: Nosher on 12 April 2013, 03:24:36 PM
Thanks for the links to the reviews - very helpful.
What attracted me to these initially was Northstar will be stocking the rules at some stage and there was a suggestion in the marketing material that it was a skirmish level game
I'm now really confused because Anatolis review talks about regiments, brigades divisions etc

From their webpage:
Depending on the experience of gamers and number of available figures, as well as time and space for the game, By Fire and Sword battles can be played on 4 different levels. The choice of the game level influences the available units for the gamer's force. The basic level of the game – called "The Foray" – is a short skirmish, completed in less than an hour. The highest level – called "The Field Army" enables recreating huge and truly epic battles.

First stand I am hitting up at Salute for sure. Looks great.

Like you need another ruleset Chris . Even if the rules are not that great the background info does sound very interesting.

Im reading the Novel, With Fire and Sword by Henryk Sienkiewicz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/With_Fire_and_Sword


My Polish colleague was amazed anyone would read it voluntarily. Apparently most Polish kids are force fed it at secondary school.

Come on then...who saw these at Salute? Enquiring minds want to know if they're any good...

I echo Nik's thoughts here. So Chris, did you buy/peruse/drool etc?

Ditto Nik and Steve J.

Didn't make Salute and would like to know, although I have a sneaking suspicion that the rules were only going to be available at Salute...

The Kickstarter project for this is still in progress, but well underway with (as of now) another 27 days to raise the required money. 5$ for a basic PDF of the rules doesn't sound to bad.

It would be good to get the opinion of people who have actually seen this in action, though.

http://kck.st/ZA2be5

Mmmmm Kickstarter....

I think I'll kick this one into touch...

QuoteI'm reading the Novel, With Fire and Sword by Henryk Sienkiewicz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/With_Fire_and_Sword


My Polish colleague was amazed anyone would read it voluntarily. Apparently most Polish kids are force fed it at secondary school.

Happened to watch the film at the weekend and found it quite enjoybale in a bit of a slapstick way. Not sure it will entice me into getting the book though 

QuoteHappened to watch the film at the weekend and found it quite enjoybale in a bit of a slapstick way. Not sure it will entice me into getting the book though

This movie got very bad press in Poland.
Try to watch "The Deluge" by the same director to feel the real climate of Sienkiewicz's books.
   

Thanks for the tip Maciek.

I'll keep an eye open forwhen the price comes down on Amazon. It' s abit eye-watering at the moment

I have the Teutonic Knights directed by Alexander Ford which I believe was adapted from Sienkiewicz's novel and that's very atmospheric, or at least seems so to me

So, what are the chances of persuading Leon et al to make models of all the various factions and troop types for this, eh?

Quote from: OldenBUA on 23 April 2013, 09:03:49 AM
The Kickstarter project for this is still in progress, but well underway with (as of now) another 27 days to raise the required money. 5$ for a basic PDF of the rules doesn't sound to bad.

It would be good to get the opinion of people who have actually seen this in action, though.

http://kck.st/ZA2be5

Im just the man you need then!  

I got a game in at Salute with one of the authors (he trounced my Poles with his Swedes very quickly) and bought the rules, and have been very impressed. I only got to play the skirmish level (basically a supported regiment with one commander) at Salute and the core mechanics are reasonably fast play (not buckets of dice and it uses d10s which is a novelty) but nothing too unusual. The command mechanics are very good, and look even better at divisional level (multiple regiments and commanders).

Its all based around command points you dish out to units. All units (unless ambush scenario) start with 1 of 3 orders (move, charge or defend) but in future turns a commander needs to spend a command point to alter that order (with penalties for distance like warmaster- so 1 point to change a order within 20cm, 2 outside of 20 etc). Command points can also be spent to rally units, or remove wounds and a couple of other things I forget right now. You obviously dont get 100s of command points a turn, for example a basic level cossack commander might get 2 points a turn, whereas a top Swedish general might get 4. In the divisional game, not only do the regt commanders spend command points to order their units, but your C in C gives instructions to his subordinate commanders. So if your C in C gives a charge order to a colonels regiment, and your colonel decides that he wants 1 of the units in his regiment to defend rather than charge, that defence order will cost an extra command point. All the other units he gives charge orders to will only cost 1 pt a unit. Does that make sense?

I think the game would play well with 10mm figures. A stand is 40x20mm for Infantry, 40x40 for commanders and artillery and 40x30 for cavalry. At 15mm they place 3 figures on a stand. I guess if you were doing it in 10mm you could put more on for that lovely horde look we so love.

Any other questions give me a shout and I will try to answer them based on my reading of the book. It also has to be said the book is pure porn. Utter utter wargame filth. Without doubt the sexiest and heaviest wargames book in my collection. It weighs in over 2 kilos too!  I know some grognards will moan about it because it has a lot of fluff and other stuff like painting guides, terrain construction guides- they have certainly taken a leaf out of GW and Battlefront books, thats for sure. Personally I like that.