Well you could easily keep the "build your own thing" you have now and just add this. As for basing BKc really does not care what size base you use so just get a base that works with an other large rule set and put them in cost is like 18 cent each add on to the miniature.  No Big woop over the price and most guys will use what is in the bag. This no base thing is kinda geared toward not the new gamer it's very weird coming from the finished product world of gw and pp.   

Quote from: Hurley on 30 June 2010, 06:40:19 AM
coming from the finished product world of gw and pp.   

Seems like a different planet to me - but then I am a newbie in wargaming and I like to work things out for myself. How hard can it be to buy some 1mm pvc sheet and cut your own bases exactly as you like them?

However, you speak from long experience and you obviously make a good point one which is usually lost on enthousiasts like myself. The point being that only ready-made stuff creates the sort of buyer mass you need to expand your business and expand your ranges.

Cheers,
Aart

Then there's the problem that some of your ranges have big holes in them.

The website does have functions to create 'Recommended Items' lists, depending on what's being bought, so we could link the bases to the various Army Packs.

I think the Dungeon Pack we're putting together will be a good indicator of whether people want everything included in one item.  If it sells well, then we might look at doing the same thing with other ranges.

Quote from: Derek H on 30 June 2010, 01:36:20 PM
Then there's the problem that some of your ranges have big holes in them.

They do, and we will try to fill as many of the major ones as we can.  There was a discussion on here a while back though, that can a range ever be complete?

I would guess that 10mm in behind 15s and 25s but ahead of 20s and currently tied with 6s in the hierachy of scales.

What the 10mm scale needs is more exposure. Exposure through, articles in gaming mags, adds in gaming mags, more participation games at shows, sponsoring prizes for tournaments at shows.  Pictures and more Pictures of your minis is very important and you are making great efforts in that direction. The Flickr account might need to be better organized to find the minis you are looking for than what is currently setup. PR is the real need right now for the 10mm scale. You can box all the "ready made armies" you like but if you dont advertise, they will just sit there unsold.  Pendraken has a great range of minis available and yes many are incomplete ranges which should be completed before brand new ranges are offered, IMHO.  However, having said that, getting my hands on some 10mm Aztecs or Incas would be great

The main problem with the 10mm scale other than lack of exposure, is that the main gamers as said before are already invested in 15 and 25 ranges and getting them to move to another scale is daunting. That is why exposure is soooo important, 10mm needs to grab that new gamer or one that has not already invested heavily in 15 or 25 and you grab them by advertising. Man, it would be nice if I worked for an advertising firm, but that is not the case 

I am slowly converting 15mm players to 10mm by running games at the club providing both sides of battle with 10mm.  Some are slowly purchasing some 10s to experiment with their painting skills. But it is hard to compete with 35 gamers that already have completed and painted 15mm armies for their rules they play and get them to start new armies for those rules in 10mm.

I have slowly been selling off my 15s and replacing them with 10s, I know not everyone can do that and my painting eyes are not as good as they use to be but I do like the look of 10s on the tabletop.

I believe that if the 10mm scale ranges continue to grow in both completing existing ranges and developing new ranges, more will move to 10s if they see more being used. In the UK, that would be more games at shows using 10mm. Leon, you might even think about sponsoring a 10mm DBA tournament where all armies are 10mm and have a juicy enough prize for gamers to purchase, paint and play in the tournament.  DBA armies are the least expensive way for a gamer to dab his toe into the scale without investing loads of money. Once there, it might be all they need to continue with 10s 

Sorry for the long post, I need to get back to packaging up 20 DBA War of the Roses army packs for school!!!
cya

Thanks for all that Blake!

People are right, the 10mm scale does need more exposure through the magazines and some online articles, to get people to switch over.  If I ever manage to find the time, I'll have a go at doing an article, and see if I can get it into the mags.

Sponsoring a tournament could be a good idea.  I've considered sponsoring some display games at the bigger shows.  We'd need to find some clubs willing to get into 10mm and put on the game for us.

I've just tidied up the Flickr account a little bit as well!

I've never come across an army pack that has exactly what I want, and usually end up buying extras to round it out.  I wouldn't buy a Peter Pig Black Box, because I'd end up buying extra figures, and not using some of those in the box, to get the unit I want. I'd probably spend more than any saving I made.

The GW approach is fine for figures linked to a rules set.  Pendraken isn't linked to a ruleset, though many of the ranges do have pack for a specified set. 

I think Hurley is being over-critical.  It appears he wants a pack per organisation per rule set.

QuoteFigure out what they need. ( I want a German mechanized infantry platoon)
Find unit under rules type

So how many in the platoon - different rules have different amounts, and they are listed in the army lists.

Also what size bases?  I don't want to pay extra for bases I won't use.

Quote from: Hurley on 30 June 2010, 06:40:19 AM
Well you could easily keep the "build your own thing" you have now and just add this. As for basing BKc really does not care what size base you use so just get a base that works with an other large rule set and put them in cost is like 18 cent each add on to the miniature.  No Big woop over the price and most guys will use what is in the bag. This no base thing is kinda geared toward not the new gamer it's very weird coming from the finished product world of gw and pp.   

Not wierd at all.

I use Pendraken figures with lots of different rule sets, each with different basing. 

I source the bases i need from specialist suppliers like Warbases or ERM.

I really like that i don't have to buy a bunch of clutter i don't need.  With Pendraken i get almost precisely the figures i need.

Take GW plastics.  After clipping off all the figures, there's more plastic sprue left than actual figure!  That's money i've just thrown in the bin!  Not to mention all the other packaging...

Now then, as to the OP...

I think it's undeniable that 10mm is a niche scale.  We ourselves are recent converts and loving it, and there's always a lot of interest at the club.

However, i suspect that 28mm and 15mm will remain dominant given their legacy popularity and mass of investment most gamers have already given to the scales.

That said, trends are likely to change i suspect...and i've certainly seen an increase in 1:72nd plastics lately.

The rise in 10mm-focussed rule sets lately (here i'm looking at 'XX Commander' and Warmaster) will certainly help the popularity of the scale.  I've also just picked up Age of Eagles and am chomping at the bit for the release of your Napoleonic ranges!!!

You'll of course know that 10m figures are army-driven (rather than display).  Therefore my suggestion for Pendraken is to release ranges that supply the army lists from those two rulesets.  But then, what do i know?

Quote from: Leon on 30 June 2010, 02:18:03 PM
The website does have functions to create 'Recommended Items' lists, depending on what's being bought, so we could link the bases to the various Army Packs.

I think the Dungeon Pack we're putting together will be a good indicator of whether people want everything included in one item.  If it sells well, then we might look at doing the same thing with other ranges.

They do, and we will try to fill as many of the major ones as we can.  There was a discussion on here a while back though, that can a range ever be complete?

No a range will never truly be complete I guess.

However, when there's still things missing that belong in each and every line squad, then it's an issue.  Once all the basics are there, then the rest is cool and nice-to-have.

Derk