I can tell you, the spikes on that Chaos iPad hurt like buggery when you accidentally sit on it

Quote from: nikharwood on 06 June 2012, 06:31:30 PM
...moulded in resin & called a Fine-Pad no doubt 

Released with Liquid Greenpad to patch it up and make it function.

Question:

If GW go completely online/virtual, what will all those spotty, unhygenic, pre-pubescent store staff go onto do?

Apple store Geniuses?

As Henry Hyde has pointed out in his blogs - no-one HAS to buy this stuff - please don't complain about scam prices or rip-offs - they are upfront about it.

They cannot force you to buy them and GW do research markets rather well.

If someone wants to pay that kind of money for ebooks - let them - it's a free country - for sellers as well as buyers.

Quote from: robert on 20 June 2012, 04:40:37 PM
As Henry Hyde has pointed out in his blogs - no-one HAS to buy this stuff - please don't complain about scam prices or rip-offs - they are upfront about it.

They cannot force you to buy them and GW do research markets rather well.

If someone wants to pay that kind of money for ebooks - let them - it's a free country - for sellers as well as buyers.

That's all well and good except that the vast majority of GWs 'customers' are actually parents buying for their kids.  I've stopped buying GWs overpriced plastic (now failcast) years ago, except bargains on ebay.  I doubt a parent subject ot pester power has that option.

As for GWs 'market research' i seem to remember reading an article a while ago which said that GW considers that it is competing with the like sof Playstation and Xbox rather than other tabletop games manufacturers and so it pitches its 'buy in' costs along the line sof a console + starter games, and its add ons at '1 video game' prices.  That makes sense why they price a box of 5 figures at £40 i suppose.

Why do we all get upset and rag on GW though, since as you say Robert, we're not forced to buy this stuff?

I think its because older gamers look at GW, and look at what else is available and KNOW the kids who buy GW are getting ripped off (and £20 for 1 'resin' 28mm figure is pretty much the dictionary definition of that).  Personally i don't like to see anyone get ripped off...

Quote from: nikharwood on 04 June 2012, 11:34:46 PM
if you have a look around at what the RPG world are doing with digital media - and the price they're doing it at -

Do you have some examples?  I think miniatures gamers are not yet looking properly at what can be done with these tools yet; I'm curious about what others are up to.

Quote from: lentulus on 21 June 2012, 01:29:00 PM

Do you have some examples?  I think miniatures gamers are not yet looking properly at what can be done with these tools yet; I'm curious about what others are up to.

Well, I don't know about the RPG world, but certainly the publishers of the Blitzkrieg/Coldwar/Futurewar Commander series have just released PDF's of their rulebooks at £12, compared to £20 for the print version.

Cheers, Martyn
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Quote from: robert on 20 June 2012, 04:40:37 PM
As Henry Hyde has pointed out in his blogs - no-one HAS to buy this stuff - please don't complain about scam prices or rip-offs - they are upfront about it.

They cannot force you to buy them and GW do research markets rather well.

If someone wants to pay that kind of money for ebooks - let them - it's a free country - for sellers as well as buyers.

Hey don't get me wrong, I grew up with GW stuff, I still play thier stuff with my kids and my mates, but the GW of today are a different beast of the GW I was used to moons ago.
My eldest agrees that the prices are not right and prefers other companies over them due to his monthly mini's budget (thank god, or I would be totally skint) but still he buys the odd bit here and there. We find ebay is a better and cheaper alternative to getting GW stuff from them rather than going into one of thier stores.
This overpricing of Ebooks is a step too far, I mean given that once the application has been developed (and I don't doubt that it takes some talented people to create such a digital publication) they will be able to churn copies out digitally either the cost of the disk its on , or for nothing if its a download or app etc. I wouldn't be so against it if they were not so over the top for the $$$$, but thats what they are about now, cash is king. Its a shame the new gen can't see it.
Also as a consumer of GW products (and a loyal one, once) I feel I do have a right to moan about prices, being that like I said, we play quite a few GW games. Yes I feel they are ripping people off left right and centre, lets face it there is a global recession on, some people I know are totally broke from day to day. GW seem to think that its a good idea to raise prices sky high so that as luddite said, it hammers parents who ultimately have to pay for the privilage lining GW fat cats pockets.
You see its not a case of you dont have to buy cos no ones forcing you because for some parents, yes someone is forcing you (kids do that) or even you dont have to buy coz its so expensive and you cant afford it. GW can be upfront about the price of stuff because they have legions of gribbly fan boys willing to sell a kidney for the latest "thing" they are marketing and selling, not because they have excellent marketing. The fact is IMHO is that they are just marketing to the vast amounts of young uns' that know nothing other than GW, somehow I can't see the general public being asked if the stuff is pricey or not, or if anyone really needs what they make.
They seem to think that historical is a no go (since discontinuing the warhammer historical range, which I'm getting into at the mo, which is much more like the old GW I would say) but did they ask the hordes of historical wargamers I see from convention to convention, probably not, as other companies do a better job at serving them than them, and at a better and more reasonable price too.
Lots of people complain about GW, thats because there is something just plain wrong and GW is nothing more now than a souless corporate machine that has lost its heart.

Quote from: robert on 20 June 2012, 04:40:37 PM
As Henry Hyde has pointed out in his blogs - no-one HAS to buy this stuff - please don't complain about scam prices or rip-offs - they are upfront about it.

They cannot force you to buy them and GW do research markets rather well.

If someone wants to pay that kind of money for ebooks - let them - it's a free country - for sellers as well as buyers.

So . . . . because it's not an absolute neccessity, no one's allowed to voice an opinion about it?

Excuse me while I don't subscribe to that philosophy.

Cheers, Martyn
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Okay chaps - I must admit I had not thought about parents being pestered by kids to buy rip-off merchandise, that is plain wrong and GW have the moral responsibility of an Ork in that respect.

Do they care?  Do they read this ?

I did not say that no one is allowed to voice an opinion, that would be silly Martyn - any more than Henry did in his blog.

Quote from: Raider4 on 21 June 2012, 01:46:56 PM
have just released PDF's of their rulebooks at £12,

And a good idea, but not even a start given what the new platforms could deliver.  With a tablet or e-book reader you can have the electronic version at the table as conveniently (more conveniently?) as a paper version.  Consider what just the modest use of hypertext can add to rule cross-referencing. 

If it's well done, of course, any media can be used to transform good ideas into crap.