Ohgodsohgodsohgods!! Now I need to work something out...

Pledge for Prussians £573.90.

Fantastic stuff. I'm still budget blown though - I'll probably add extras come the time but can't pledge more right now 

Great support everyone

Okay, I'm up to £125.20, hopefully including the £10 I already pledged.

Quote from: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 02 May 2026, 09:45:46 PMOkay, I'm up to £125.20, hopefully including the £10 I already pledged.

Fantastic, thank you!

Quote from: Zippee on 02 May 2026, 08:56:33 AMFantastic stuff. I'm still budget blown though - I'll probably add extras come the time but can't pledge more right now 

No worries!

Quote from: John Cook on 01 May 2026, 11:32:25 PMPledge for Prussians £573.90.

Wow, I'll get that added in!

We've just added photos of the 1811-15 Russians here: https://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,24247.0.html

I'm currently on vacation so remote from my "library".  Its a certainty that I will pledge for a representative EYLAU Russian force and a Prussian Auerstedt one.  In the order of 12 Infantry,3 specials, 3 cavalry and 3 artillery packs each.  Then there is the question of risking banishment from the Forum if I field my existing 1809 French against them.

  So I can pledge for at least £300 but wont have the details until mid-late May. 

   Are relevant flags planned?

Hi DD

What flags will be needed in addition to the current ranges  ?

I know the special Russian honour ones are missing but what others ?

I do flags but I'm not a Nap gamer so a few clues will help me find them.

Tony of Tiny Tin Troops

Quote from: tony of TTT link=msg=378131 date=1777815289
What flags will be needed in addition to the current ranges  ?Tony. Sorry I  cant research at the moment and was being lazy hoping someone had already done the hard work! You may well be right that a mixture of the earlier and later ranges already cover everything  especially the French. If I find anything significant, I'll reply again.  Dave

The 1806 Prussiams had individual battalion amd unit flags, was just pondering how I'm going to do those.
Might need to bribe Iain at Flags of War, again!  .

Quote from: tony of TTT on 03 May 2026, 01:34:49 PMHi DD

What flags will be needed in addition to the current ranges  ?

I know the special Russian honour ones are missing but what others ?

I do flags but I'm not a Nap gamer so a few clues will help me find them.

Tony of Tiny Tin Troops

Quote from: tony of TTT on 03 May 2026, 01:34:49 PMHi DD

What flags will be needed in addition to the current ranges  ?

I know the special Russian honour ones are missing but what others ?

I do flags but I'm not a Nap gamer so a few clues will help me find them.

Tony of Tiny Tin Troops

Russian colours and standards are diverse but they do follow rules.  Between 1805 and 1815, Grenadier, Musketeer and Infantry regiments carried six different Patterns of Colours including two types of Saint George Colours awarded for special conduct.  The Russian cavalry also had six patterns of standard including one specific to dragoons and one Saint George Standard.  A good reference is Russian Infantry Flags of the Napoleonic wars by Prince and Spring.  Then there are the Cossack and Oplcheniya flags that follow no rules.  I sent material to Leon when we embarked on the project.  The early Prussian colours, standards and guidons are nearly as diverse.  They are similar to those of the SYW.  I have collected all the information but I haven't collated it yet.  Not sure if there are any Saxon flags in the lists.

Just had a quick look at Keith Over's book and the main Infantry series mentioned are 1800, 1803 and 1813 plus 2 St George (with 1803 & 1813). Possible some earlier pattern were till around in 1805 ? I'm assuming your 6th is the post inspections system which used the same design as 1803 but with some new colour combos. Owen implies that info on these is incomplete but I have other sources. Similarly his specifics on 1813 pattern are sketchy.

Quote from: tony of TTT on 03 May 2026, 06:56:35 PMJust had a quick look at Keith Over's book and the main Infantry series mentioned are 1800, 1803 and 1813 plus 2 St George (with 1803 & 1813). Possible some earlier pattern were till around in 1805 ? I'm assuming your 6th is the post inspections system which used the same design as 1803 but with some new colour combos. Owen implies that info on these is incomplete but I have other sources. Similarly his specifics on 1813 pattern are sketchy.

Over's book was published in 1976.  Honestly I wouldn't rely on it for anything, especially Russian stuff.  Similarly a lot of water has gone under the bridge since the  the Osprey Men at Arms and Hourtoulle books were published
Not including the colours carried by garrison regiments the following types were in use between 1805 and 1815.

1797 Pattern Colours.
1800 Pattern Colours
1800 Pattern Colours with citations for distinguished conduct.
1803 Pattern Colours.
1803 Pattern Saint George Colours with citations for distinguished conduct
1813 Pattern Saint George Colours 

Colours were replaced when they were lost, destroyed, simply wore out or when a unit received Saint George colours, not when a new pattern was introduced.  When the Inspection System was replaced by an administrative Division System it had no bearing on which colours were carried by which regiment.  Numerous regiments were still carrying 1797 Pattern colours in the 1820s.  You have to know which regiment carried which, and when. 

Please put me down for £313.30 (French - £135.60, Russians - £177.70) 

QuoteSo I can pledge for at least £300 but wont have the details until mid-late May. 

QuotePlease put me down for £313.30 (French - £135.60, Russians - £177.70) 

Fantastic, that takes us over the next target and means that the Saxons have arrived!

There is now a Saxon order sheet available:
here.

1806-07 Saxons
NSX1    Musketeers in bicorne, march attack    30 figures    £7.95
NSX2    Musketeer command bicorne    15 figures    £4.00
NSX3    Mounted officer    5 figures    £2.65
NSX4    Schutzen, firing line, inc. comm    16 figures    £4.25
NSX5    Grenadiers, march attack    16 figures    £4.25
NSX6    Grenadier command    15 figures    £4.00
NSX7    Chevau-leger    15 figures    £7.95
NSX8    Carabiniers / Garde du Corps    15 figures    £7.95
NSX9    Cuirassiers    15 figures    £7.95
NSX10    Hussars    15 figures    £7.95
NSX11    4pdr guns with horse crew    3 guns + crew    £7.95
NSX12    8pdr guns with foot crew    3 guns + crew    £7.95
NSX13    12pdr guns with foot crew    3 guns + crew    £7.95
NSX14    8pdr howitzer with foot crew    3 guns + crew    £7.95
NSX15    Limber with team    2 limbers w/ team    £7.95
NSX16    Caisson with team    1 caisson w/team    £7.95
NSX17    Mounted staff officers    5 figures    £2.65
NSX18    Mounted general    1 figure    £0.60

Pledge for Saxons in for £387.90. 

Is there a problem with the link to the Saxons?

Just checked and got the dreaded 404 result .

Hi John

Agree about Over - haven't relied on his info but some good, scannable images have helped develop some ranges. Over does list those and refer to the 1807 changes but lacks detail.
Russian practice over theory is a problem throughout their history - right up until the Russo-Japanese war. Practicality does sometimes require a more limited approach when producing commercial ranges.

Is there reliable data on which colours were carried by regiments over the period ?

Tony of TTT

Quote from: fsn on 05 May 2026, 06:48:38 AMIs there a problem with the link to the Saxons?

Quote from: Steve J on 05 May 2026, 08:01:15 AMJust checked and got the dreaded 404 result .

Not sure what's going on there!  The one in the original post works fine so hopefully this works:

Saxon Order Form.