https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hamKl-su8PE

Civil Disorder by Jim Wallman (found by typing "wargaming civil disorder" into a search engine).

Not played them, a quick read through suggests to me that they're designed for walk-up games at a convention - multiple players run the police/security forces, umpire(s) run the troublemakers.

Quote from: Raider4 on 18 August 2025, 07:59:46 PMCivil Disorder by Jim Wallman (found by typing "wargaming civil disorder" into a search engine).

Not played them, a quick read through suggests to me that they're designed for walk-up games at a convention - multiple players run the police/security forces, umpire(s) run the troublemakers.

Or you could have looked at my post above

QuoteOr you could have looked at my post above

Doh! Sorry, didn't see it.

Quote from: Gwydion on 18 August 2025, 11:18:55 PMOr you could have looked at my post above

But where's the fun in that? 

Quote from: Raider4 on 19 August 2025, 06:21:53 AMDoh! Sorry, didn't see it.

No problem - I was just so happy I had an answer to a question for a change!

A late contribution.

Some while ago, Footsore Miniatures released a game called Gangs of Rome.

https://footsoreminiatures.co.uk/collections/gangs-of-rome

From my perspective, the game unified almost every feature and mechanic I despise.
 * 28mm, with all the bulk, crowding  and cost that implies.
 * Skirmish, a bit less bulk and cost.
 * Collectable figures.
 * A "not war" wargame.
 * Action tokens.
 * Special dice.

Some of the associated bits looked nice.
 * MDF roman civic buildings.
 * Rules for criminals sheltering among crowds.


You'll gather this isn't my choice, but our hobby is diverse.
So I'll chuck the name in here as something riot-oriented.

If you, or a friend already own these, you might find something worth stealing form the rules.
 

The mob rules are very good.

I have (and love) Gangs off Rome but then I'm a sucker for any Roman game.

I do think the crowd mechanisms could translate into more general urban mob type games and the rules for the vigiles would work for much later police forces. I plan to use the forces of the Tresvirii Capitales instead of vigiles since I plan on a Late Republican not Early Empire setting.

On the critique of the game itself I offer the following thoughts.
 

* 28mm, with all the bulk, crowding  and cost that implies.

You could play it in 6mm if you can find the figures and don't suffer from FFS* like me. 15mm would be easier. Around 50-60% of my figures aren't from Footsore, though I do like the Footsore minis.


* Skirmish, a bit less bulk and cost.

Is that a plus or a minus? I wanted something that would let me play the skirmishing in the Late Roman Republic between people like the Gracchi brothers, Clodius, Milo, etc. For me the game works well for that.



* Collectable figures.

They provide rules, terrain and miniatures, either themselves or through partners. But you don't have to use anything except the rules. The rest can come from any where. Big Box, all in one place, offerings seem much appreciated by a sizeable segment of the wargaming population, however.


* A "not war" wargame.

It's a skirmish game and a combat game so if that's not what you are looking for then the game is not for you. We are, as you say, all entitled to our own likes and dislikes. If you do like that style of game I'd say this is fun, quick to play and works to reflect the history of the period.


* Action tokens.

OK, love them or loathe them they are a mechanism many games use. I like tokens. YMMV!


* Special dice.


Sure, they'll sell you themed dice. If you like themed dice, fine. If not, just use standard D6's. There are plenty of them available.

For my 6mm Sumerians I bought "knucklebone style" D6's.  For Gangs of Rome I bought Roman themed ones. Mostly from Footsore but also some from thediceshoponline.com. I like choices. 

I look forward to seeing reports of games spawned by this thread.

More power to your collective elbows!


FFS - Fat Finger Syndrome

And Gangs of Rone mobs does have a slave mob with Grummio in it!! 

We played with this back in the 70s — Airfix Romans kitbashed into riot cops for example.

Victory points came from provoking your enemy to violence in front of a TV crew.

And I would be inclined to have four sides, two of extremest trying to provoke violence and two trying to achieve peaceful objectives.

Like I needed another project.  I must look at Pendraken Romans now.