Hi all,
After some trainng games, I come up with some questions.
A. Are field defences limited where they can be placed? The only limitation I found is about minefields that are not allowed in BUA or wet terrain.
B. If a trench line is dug on the edge of a wood, at what distance is it visible?
C. The Recce rules says: "unmarked minefields that are within the recconitered terrain features are also revealed...". If a unmarked minefields is positioned in open terrain and far away from any terrain feature, how can a Recce unit find it and communicate it to his command structure? Does the recce unit need to step on it?
D. At page 15 the visibility rule says: "units observing from higher ground (or airborne) can see all units, even if they are Concealed, if they are in Open terrain...".
Does this mean that a unit on a hill can see an enemy unit that is concealed in a trench in a open area terrain?
E. Can an AFV start an assault on an enemy unit that is in a trench or gun pit? Only if the trench is in open area terrain?

Best regards,
Fabio Terpin?

Answers in-line below NB: I dont have my rules book in front of me so these are 'off top-of-my-head' answers (so might be subject to reclarification later) 

QuoteHi all,
After some trainng games, I come up with some questions.
A. Are field defences limited where they can be placed? The only limitation I found is about minefields that are not allowed in BUA or wet terrain.

> In a scenario game there are specific limitations, but otherwise No. Obviously, you cannot put field defenses in Impassable or fully wet terrain (Rivers, Lakes, the Sea) but otherwise you can put them anywhere. NB: It is assumed that in marshy or boggy terrain your engineers have done a sterling job of making sure they don't collapse

B. If a trench line is dug on the edge of a wood, at what distance is it visible?

> Well - if it is inside the wood edge it is considered inside the wood, so the units inside it are only visible as if they are in the wood. If it is on the outside edge it is considered as being in the open

C. The Recce rules says: "unmarked minefields that are within the recconitered terrain features are also revealed...". If a unmarked minefields is positioned in open terrain and far away from any terrain feature, how can a Recce unit find it and communicate it to his command structure? Does the recce unit need to step on it?

> The Pathfinder/Reconnoiter rules for Recce are designed primarily to allow a Recce unit to close-observe a pieces of dense terrain. So the Recce troops are going into that terrain assuming they might find something nasty. That is not the case in the Open - so you are correct in that unmarked minefields in the Open are 'discovered' when the Recce unit 'blunders' into it. Taking any appropriate hits.

D. At page 15 the visibility rule says: "units observing from higher ground (or airborne) can see all units, even if they are Concealed, if they are in Open terrain...".
Does this mean that a unit on a hill can see an enemy unit that is concealed in a trench in a open area terrain?

> Ah yes - the old 'on-table' hill & visibility issue. The challenge with hills (on the table top) is that in reality the models we place wouldn't usually be classified as 'hills' only small knolls or rises. 'Real' hills are actually quite significant and provide a significant advantage, but to depict these on a standard 10mm table-top game would be almost impossible. However ... I digress. The short answer is Yes. There is an exception where the fortification/trench is in the 'lee' of an area of High Terrain (sorry I cannot remember the page ref.no. for this) but otherwise troops in trenches and emplacements are visible from a hill - especially as in the game LoS is unlimited.

E. Can an AFV start an assault on an enemy unit that is in a trench or gun pit? Only if the trench is in open area terrain?
> Yes - an AFV can assault a trench or gun pit, regardless of what terrain they are in. Obviously the AFV is at a disadvantage in so doing but they can do so.

Best regards,
Fabio Terpin?

Thanks
Mark

Hi Mark,
thanks for the quick answers, I agree with all but the E.
The assault rule says at page 43:"the following restrictions apply: "AFV (including IFVs and APCs) may only assault units that are in the open, except when they are carrying infantry or engineers". I understand  that a AFV without infantry cannot assault a trench or a gun positioned in a Low ground area such as wheat field. An AFV assault without Tank riders has to be carried out ONLY in open ground. If I decided to assault a unit in a low area with a AFV as main assault unit with an infantry unit as flanking unit, it is allowed?

Best regards,
Fabio Terpin

Quote from: Fabterp2003 on 11 December 2024, 10:45:47 PMHi Mark,
thanks for the quick answers, I agree with all but the E.
The assault rule says at page 43:"the following restrictions apply: "AFV (including IFVs and APCs) may only assault units that are in the open, except when they are carrying infantry or engineers". I understand  that a AFV without infantry cannot assault a trench or a gun positioned in a Low ground area such as wheat field. An AFV assault without Tank riders has to be carried out ONLY in open ground. If I decided to assault a unit in a low area with a AFV as main assault unit with an infantry unit as flanking unit, it is allowed?

Best regards,
Fabio Terpin

You have the advantage over me of having the rules book in front of you Fabio  and have answered your own question better than I did.
In terrain the Infantry would need to be the primary assaulting unit, supported by the AFV.
Cheers
Mark

Hi Mark,
Thanks again to helping me in better understanding the rules.
As I read the assault rules , I think I found something that needs an errata.
In the example at page 47/48, the defending Vietcong unit in in open and is GTG therefore it will be hit on 5 or 6. I think it should be hit on 4,5, and 6 because GTG doesn't give any defensive advantage in close combat as stated at page 21 "Gone to GROUND" paragraph.

I hope it will help.

Best regards,
Fabio