Quote from: Gwydion on 18 March 2024, 08:57:26 PMNot arguing.
I'm right!

You can't be, I'm the quiz master.

Question from a few years back, former pub quizmater.
"Who spent the longest as Doctor Who?"
Me: "It's Paul McGann..."
Tony goes to put that down.
Me:"... but don't put that, he's got Tom Baker."
Tony gives me a hard stare "you sure?"
Me "Yes, put Tom Baker."

Anyway,  we got the point, and usual winners spent 5 minutes trying to argue with him.

QuoteYou can't be, I'm the quiz master.

You wait till Cymdeithas yr Iaith Gymraeg hear about this!
They'll paint you green!

Many, many years ago I was in Llandudno, and above the fruit machine in the Working Men's club was two signs.

"Please do not put your drinks on top of fruit machine."
and
"[Welsh] Bandit [more Welsh]"

I've spent 30 years thinking "The Welsh must have words for 'Fruit' and 'Machine'. Surely they have words for that. Or failing that a word for 'Bandit'."

I'll put you out of your misery - they do.

'Peiriant ffrwythau' (fruit machine) - see; a word for machine and a word for fruits!

I'd probably say 'lleidr unfraich'. (but Google I see translates that as 'a one armed thief' which is probably more up front about the purpose of the machine than the club would have liked).

Google suggests 'bandit un-arf' for a 'one armed bandit', but that means literally a 'one weaponed bandit', which can have a rather rude interpretation akin to the ECW Royalist cavalry banner. A fun example of machine translation problems.

'Peiriant hapchwarae' might be better - 'gaming machine'.

'Peidiwch rhoi eich diodydd ar ben y bandit un fraich, os gwelwch yn dda.' is probably roughly what you saw.

30 plus years ago it might have been 'Peidiwch â rhoi eich diodydd chi ar ben y bandit un fraich, os gwelwch yn dda.' especially in Gog land. Welsh is losing  a lot of the old grammar construction - it was happening anyway but social media and the internet have accelerated it.

In a working men's club I'd have gone with 'Dim diodydd ar y bandit un fraich'-'No drinks on the one armed bandit'.

(Corgi still doesn't mean short legs!).

I've got no clue on most of these so I'll bang up some answers and see what happens!  It's going to be hard to avoid politics here though...

New Round  Late 2023 Events – News stories from September to December 2023

1   In September 2023 the Guardian newspaper reported that two prospective candidates for election had been dropped following warnings from MI5 to the Conservative Party. What did MI5 say the problem was?

They were Putin's cousins...

2   A Victorian tradition of a Dahlia exhibition at which famous monument has taken place again in October 2023?

Trafalgar/Nelsons?

3   In October 2023 what did engineers hang from the Millennium Bridge in London in compliance with an ancient law, to warn river traffic that work was taking place on the bridge?

A traffic cone.

4   What happened in Iceland on 24 October 2023, repeating the same event from 1975?

An eruption?

5   Britain hosted an international conference about AI at the start of November 2023. Where was this held?

Wasn't that down at Bletchley?

6   The first one happened 10 March 1801, the most recent in 2021. As of November 2023 the government is proposing this is also the last. What is it?

The greatest falls in living standards on record?   

7   Why has Hugo Keith been in the news a lot?

Something to do with the Covid enquiry?

8   In November 2023 Nestle caused dismay among customers with their announcement to discontinue which confectionary?

No idea, Smarties seems a bit unlikely?

9   What do Swedish politician Carl Bildt, Danish politician Lars Løkke Rasmussen, Latvia's Krišjānis Kariņš, Ireland's Micheál Martin, Laurent Fabius of France, Bjarni Benediktsson and Kalevi Sorsa of Finland have in common with David Cameron? (Keep it clean, gentlemen...)

They all went to Eton?

10   Who called on Ant and Dec to end 'appalling abuse of animals' on I'm A Celebrity?

Pamela Anderson.

One and a (generous) half, Leon

Answers below, how'd I do?

0  Late 2023 Events – News stories from September to December 2023

1  In September 2023 the Guardian newspaper reported that two prospective candidates for election had been dropped following warnings from MI5 to the Conservative Party. What did MI5 say the problem was?

They might be Chinese spies

2  A Victorian tradition of a Dahlia exhibition at which famous monument has taken place again in October 2023?

Stonehenge (or possibly Avebury I don't exactly remember but I'll plump for Stonehenge )

3  In October 2023 what did engineers hang from the Millennium Bridge in London in compliance with an ancient law, to warn river traffic that work was taking place on the bridge?

It's a guess but I'll say bale of hay or straw - saw one hung from a bridge on a visit to London when I was a nipper. No memory of which bridge. Seemed odd then and still does

4  What happened in Iceland on 24 October 2023, repeating the same event from 1975?

Women's one day strike - saw it mentioned when chasing up info on EVE online (CCP are an Icelandic company). A friend was going to Rekyavik and I wanted to check the monument with the name of my character (among many others) was still extant.

5  Britain hosted an international conference about AI at the start of November 2023. Where was this held?

No idea

6  The first one happened 10 March 1801, the most recent in 2021. As of November 2023 the government is proposing this is also the last. What is it?

Census

7  Why has Hugo Keith been in the news a lot?

Lawyer on the Covid Enquiry. Grilled Boris the Bad IIRC. Not literally unfortunately.

8  In November 2023 Nestle caused dismay among customers with their announcement to discontinue which confectionary?

CARAMAC!!! 

9  What do Swedish politician Carl Bildt, Danish politician Lars Løkke Rasmussen, Latvia's Krišjānis Kariņš, Ireland's Micheál Martin, Laurent Fabius of France, Bjarni Benediktsson and Kalevi Sorsa of Finland have in common with David Cameron? (Keep it clean, gentlemen...)

PMs who became Foreign Secretaries?

10  Who called on Ant and Dec to end 'appalling abuse of animals' on I'm A Celebrity

No idea really but I'll crib Gwydion's suggestion - Chris Packham

Caramac! Say it ain't so!

Ithoriel, you have to be desperate to crib off me!
I suggested poor old Packham because he sometimes lets himself run away with things. If it were him on this occasion, and I haven't yet checked (being emotionally drained by the assault on the Welsh language), I suspect I probably agree with him (in a non-political manner of course ).

Welsh - Anglo-Saxon word meaning foreigner, with overtones of 'slave' (Hence Walnut).

Yeah, this is possibly going down a road I'm not wanting to be on, if we're starting to use historical stuff to describe people and their heritage. This could easily get out of hand.

I think the only road this is going down is a gentle ribbing of the English-Welsh relationship.
As for history - well, LH is spot on. That's exactly where the word 'Welsh' comes from. Not a problem.
I think we've all moved on from the 7th century.

(Mind you his Anglo-Saxon is a chuffing sight better than his Welsh; 'Corgi' still doesn't mean 'short legs'! Time to let it go do you think? )

Roy, in the name of balance, I believe the Welsh word for the English translates as something along the lines of "thieving bastards".

Englishman is just 'Sais' = Saxon, So yes, you're spot on.

When I was staying in Wales the English got a warm welcome ... sometimes so warm their holiday cottages caught fire!

I like to think things are rather more amicable these days.

I did recognise the ribbing for what it was, was just concerned about the "slave" bit as this forum is read by more than just it's forum members and there are so many 'Snowflakes' people nowadays that become so easily outraged and offended (I'll have offended someone by using the term snowflake).

My history with being a member of the SD Figure Painting forum causes me to remember it being 'Flagged' by Google as an offensive website due to what was posted in the 'Playground' section (where the fun stuff, not wargaming related was posted). Then there was the case where someone tried to get me into trouble when I worked at Colonel Bills Wargaming Depot, alleging that I'd stated something offensive on an Internet wargaming forum, that turned out to be a malicious hoax (they contacted Stuart at Col.Bills by phone or email, making the allegations).

I was just wary seeing the post on this thread, as I can think of at least one case of a historically legitimate European's naming of a people, based on their ethnicity and geography, that is now deemed widely offensive and could possibly fall under British hate laws speech (landing this forum in trouble) and there's probably others should I look. I'm not saying the stating of the history of the labelling/naming of "Welsh" by the Saxons / Anglo-Saxons is an issue, just that it opens the door to people going further and discussing other names from other locations of the world, and that this forum is also read by a wider audience than it's recognised members.

Hope that explains my thinking.