QuoteI now have a tentative Navwar order:

RUSSIA: 16 Battleships, 3 Coast defense ships, 22 Cruisers, 12 Destroyers and 6 Torpedo Boats
JAPAN: 7 Battleships, 8 Armoured Cruisers, 22 Cruisers, 14 Destroyers and 18 Torpedo Boats

£89.85   

The order is now £96.60
I think its time I stopped researching

Quote from: paulr on 01 July 2023, 06:55:34 AMThe order is now £96.60
I think its time I stopped researching

You KNOW you won't....

Quote from: paulr on 01 July 2023, 06:55:34 AMThe order is now £96.60
I think its time I stopped researching

Tell me about it! I shudder to think about the costs of my latest project.

Better round it up to a ton!

Quote from: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 01 July 2023, 09:46:25 AMBetter round it up to a ton!

     

Quote from: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 01 July 2023, 09:46:25 AMBetter round it up to a ton!

Posties aren't allowed to lift that much mass 

I've emailed my order to Pierre the Shy who will add it to his own, much more sensible order, and fax it to Navwar

£99.30   

Quote from: paulr on 02 July 2023, 05:15:13 AMI've emailed my order to Pierre the Shy who will add it to his own, much more sensible order, and fax it to Navwar

£99.30   

Depends on how you define "sensible" Paul 

Pierre the Shy managed to find a fax app and get it working    

The Navwar transaction has gone through, the closest you get to an acknowledgement of order and/or shipping

I've placed an order with Leon for some MDF bases for the ships (much easier than cutting them out of sheet styrene)

Pierre the Shy added a 'few more' things to the order to make the postage worthwhile

Made all the necessary labels for the "Hull fishing fleet" aka (in 1905) as the Channel Fleet for when everything arrives.....

12 pre-dreadnought battleships, 5 Armoured cruisers, 7 2nd class/scouting cruisers and 12 TBD divisions (each representing 3/4 small TBD's but only 1 actual model per base).

Those cod & haddock are in real trouble

I have some rather nice plastic (unpainted) pre-Dreadnought ships I bought from the US - a few years ago.
It was for a campaign we were all going to play at the club - you know the sort of thing   - that died a death after a couple of games were played, as we all moved onto something else!

I need to try & remember the rules we were using (they were a free internet download - that worked very well). We also played a massive multi-player Jutland game using them - which was huge fun.

I drew the short straw as far as fleets was concerned and got the Chinese. Hence the order to the US manufacturer, as they did all the obscure stuff we 'needed' like Chinese and Turks. I also need to try and remember what scale they were as well - as I found the box of unpainted ships whilst in the midst of a tidy-out of my soldier cupboard a week or so back (& there was no info with them sadly) and thought that I really ought to be selling those to somebody with a serious intent on painting them & playing with them.

Anyway ... I digress! The rules needed you to have 'splash' markers - of different sizes for different caliber guns - as multiple shots at a specific target (indicated by the markers) created an obscuring effect on other enemy fire. A mechanism to avoid massed concentration on single ships. So I was wondering if we might persuade Leon to make some splash markers? Or maybe Litko do some already.
Just a thought.

I'll find out the scale of the Chinese ships - as they might add a bit of a side-dish to the Russo-Japanese stuff & then I'm open to offers from a prospective buyer 
 

Quote from: paulr on 10 July 2023, 07:32:19 AM Those cod & haddock are in real trouble

well I guess at a strech you could call the 1905 Channel Squadron the RN's first fishery protection squadron    

though "fishery protection squadron" doesn't quite have the same ring to it as "battle squadron" 

I think you will find that Leon already has splash markers covered in the Litko range.....

Continuing the research for this project

Looking at details of weapons layout and other characteristics to develop Ship Damage Summaries (SDS) for each ship. Some 'interesting designs; two of the Matsushima class of protected cruisers have their one 12.6" gun forward while the third has it aft.

Still deciding on the colour schemes for the ships, all will be in wartime colours

Japan
Neutral grey with funnel tops and mast tops on larger ships black

Russia
1^st Pacific Squadron There are three possibilities
Black: the same as the other Russian ships but with a brown tint due to poor quality lamp-black pigment
Brown: Black hulls with khaki upperworks or khaki overall for smaller vessels (used later in 1904)
Green: Olive-drab (possibly just for the Vladivostok cruisers)

2^nd & 3^rd Pacific Squadrons
'Black' with ochre funnels and black funnel tops. The black will be a very dark grey probably with some lighter grey highlights

All with wooden decks and may add some off-white 'sandbags'

Presumably you have consulted the OSPREY books; they have one on the Russian Navy and one on the Japanese Navy.

I haven't consulted the Opreys as yet, can anyone point me at any reviews of them

Quote from: paulr on 13 July 2023, 07:37:15 AMI haven't consulted the Opreys as yet, can anyone point me at any reviews of them

You'll see some reviews of these on Amazon - the usual sublime to the ridiculous.  I can't comment on them but I've got the Osprey Russian Batleship vs Japanese Battleship - Yellow Sea 1904-05 which is a reasonable primer but leaves you wanting more really, which is a problem with the small Osprey format generally.  If you want something more substantial you could think about Piotr Olender's two volumes Russo-Japanese Naval War 1904-1905 Vol 1 - Port Arthur and Russo-Japanese Naval War 1904-1905 - Battle of Tsushima, published by Stratus 2009 and 2010 respectively.  These, in addition to the narrative are replete with photos, most of which I've not seen anywhere else, and have orders of battle, detailed maps of the battles, tables of specifications of all the ships, their captains, details of mining operations, register of torpedo attacks and line drawings.  The only thing they don't have is colour pics though.   They are still in print at about £25 per volume but I see there are Kindle versions at a fraction of that price. 

Japanese Osprey
Amazon entry
Russian Osprey
Amazon entry

Quote from: paulr on 12 July 2023, 08:18:28 PMContinuing the research for this project

Looking at details of weapons layout and other characteristics to develop Ship Damage Summaries (SDS) for each ship. Some 'interesting designs; two of the Matsushima class of protected cruisers have their one 12.6" gun forward while the third has it aft.

There was a class of monitors built by the Swedish navy in the late 19th century where 4 had a main (and only) gun mounted forward, and a 1/2 sister with the gun mounted aft to cover the rest during any retirement. Maybe this was the same idea? Would have been usefull in a strean chase if you were being chased (and it doesn't seem that they were fast enough to run away from anything).
Apparently the 12.6" gun had a firing rate of 2 rounds per hour.

Thanks hammurabi70

Just finished my first run through the Japanese Ship Damage Summaries (SDS) including all 21 Torpedo boat Divisions  

I've already done most of the major Russian vessels so mainly Torpedo boat destroyers and Torpedo boats left to do for them