A better way of reducing 'economic migration' and doing some real good would be to invest in those countries and encourage the young people to stay and grow their economies instead of seeking pie in the sky here.
I don't mean giving them 'Aid', I mean investment in infrastructure and business to grow their economies, not exploitation by global corporations.
Then we could concentrate on welcoming asylum seekers and helping them, without the distraction of cheap shot comments about 'swarms' overwhelming Blighty.

QuoteYes, it is and I agree that it is getting tediously repetitive.  Somebody without Rosen's hard-left credentials would have been less obvious.    I often listen to Rosen's 'Word of Mouth' on Radio 4 of an evening when I'm painting figures, when my wife is watching some ghastly programme on the TV. 
Rosen's an interesting person to listen to, and he has some equally interesting guests on his programme, but I do so in the knowledge that he is a hard-left activist so when he says stuff like this I'm reminded of Mandy Rice Davies, '"Well he would, wouldn't he?"' 
Rosen's parents were Communists and by his own admission their politics were a significant influence on him.  Rosen was sacked from the BBC decades ago for views that were even too far to the left for them and has been free lance ever since. 
He is a supporter of Jeremy Corbyn who he described as "a beacon of hope in the struggle against emergent far-right nationalism, xenophobia and racism in much of the democratic world". 
One might as well invoke Tommy Robinson, or any other hard-right activist, in an attempt to demonstrate the opposite view.

hmm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Quote from: flamingpig0 on 21 March 2023, 04:21:14 AMhmm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Nonesense.  I was merely pointing out Rosen's credentials, which are matters of fact, and his consequent bias, which some people might not be aware of.  He is a poor witness whose views in this context are disingenuous claptrap and should be excluded from reasonable argument and not part of it, as should those of all extremists.  Got to admire your determination but I thought it was obvious.  It is best to be informed then one can 'aim-off'.  Are we done yet? 

I thought John's response to the Rosen piece was quite a good example of taking the man and not the ball .
It was a bit of a daft ad hominem.

Far easier to bluster about the politics of the man than address the facts.

Most people are surely aware of the politics of the author of that dangerous communist polemic 'We're Going On A Bear Hunt'?

Quote from: Gwydion on 21 March 2023, 01:46:16 PMI thought John's response to the Rosen piece was quite a good example of taking the man and not the ball .
It was a bit of a daft ad hominem.

Far easier to bluster about the politics of the man than address the facts.

Most people are surely aware of the politics of the author of that dangerous communist polemic 'We're Going On A Bear Hunt'?

I don't think it is really fair to compare Rosen to  Tommy Robinson. I can't imagine him kicking a prone policeman in the face, something which Robinson was prosecuted for.

Let's keep things constructive guys, we've kept on topic nicely so far.

Can I suggest that we (you) suspend posting on this topic for a month so we can concentrate on toy soldiers.

Agreed. Well, until Donald Trump gets arrested anyway. 

Quote from: fsn on 21 March 2023, 03:54:23 PMAgreed. Well, until Donald Trump gets arrested anyway. 

See you tomorrow, then.

Quote from: Leon on 21 March 2023, 02:21:08 PMLet's keep things constructive guys, we've kept on topic nicely so far.

That would be good but it is difficult with all the red herrings.  I have tried as best I can to restrict my posts to the Lineker fiasco.  Lineker's relationship with the BBC is what it is, he either broke his 2020 contract or he didn't.  His remarks about Germany in the 1930s were just wrong and it is that which I object to most. 
I have to declare an interest.  This link is the list of British people honoured by Yad Vashem as Righteous Among the Nations https://www.yadvashem.org/yv/pdf-drupal/united-kingdom.pdf.  Ida and Louise Cook are my paternal aunts who rescued 26 Jewish families from Nazi Germany in the years prior to WW2.  They were the first British people so honoured.
I received their posthumous British Hero of the Holocaust medals from the then Prime Minister Gordon Brown in 2010.  So I think I know something about Nazism.
I cringe when I see and hear people make flippant comparisons to Nazi Germany because usually they have no idea what they are talking about and to those who think that what the British government is doing at the moment is in any way comparable, all I can say is go and stand on the Juden Rampe at Auschwitz Birkenau.
I'm now done with this thread.