Quote from: fsn on 17 September 2022, 07:11:23 AMIndeed, and it was my intention, but sometimes egregious assertions need to be countered.

If you find one let me know and we can kill it together. It will be just  like one of  those cop buddy movies only featuring middle-aged men arguing over TV shows featuring goblins

Spoiler alert


The TV show apparently has female Orcs, yet another example of the evil of post-modernist  Frankfurt  School cultural marxism.

QuoteI always thought that was rather good

Seldom does a lighthearted song capture the essence of a mythical people as well as this one.


My RPG mastering pal in Singapore runs mega-dungeon sessions at a club.
Multiple parties are attempting to re-capture a fallen dwarven kingdom "under the mountains".
Some of his players are conversant with Tolkien's main works, others come from a more manga / anime background.
His 5 minute "Everything you need to know about Dwarves" intro' concludes with that video.

The song has also been covered by Italian metal band Wind Rose who draw heavily from Tolkien and similar for their material and costume.

QuoteWise words indeed.

Hmmm ... and yet you do not refute my post. "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates.


To recap my position before I again retire from this thread.

RoP does not (IMHO) reflect Tolkein's work. It just uses some of the names, I point again at "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies" not really being a Jane Austen work. For many authors this is fairly inconsequential, but I think authors who created a world (geography, history, bestiary, languages, bestiary) in as much detail as Tolkein are rare and should be treated with respect. 

The main character Galadriel is not a Galadriel I recognise from LOTR. She is as antithetical as a pacifist Conan or a muggle Harry Potter.

I found the episode that I watched to be extremely boring although pretty. Dialogue was a problem. "But the ship has a secret. For unlike the stone, her gaze is not downward but up. Fixed upon the light that guides her, whispering of grander things than darkness ever knew."

Hobbits Harfoots seem to be a race of imbeciles.


But I say again "you like it, you watch it." Take the Tolkein name off it and do what you please, but please don't try and make it appear to be more popular than it is.   

Quote from: flamingpig0 on 17 September 2022, 07:34:56 AMSpoiler alert
The TV show apparently has female Orcs, yet another example of the evil of post-modernist  Frankfurt  School cultural marxism.

"Female Orcs exist in Middle Earth. Their existence was confirmed in the Munby letter sold at an auction in 2002. Mr, Tolkiens declared to Mrs. Munby that the female Orcs indeed exist in the The Lord of the Rings universe. They were not very prominent in the whole narrative as they did not travel often or went to wars." http://[https://fictionhorizon.com/are-there-female-orcs-in-the-lord-of-the-rings/

Also - biology.

QuoteHmmm ... and yet you do not refute my post. "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates.

I have no idea why you would think I had slandered you and in any case, the Socrates quote is false.

https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/socrates-slander-becomes-the-tool-of-the-loser-quote-is-false/

I would have more sympathy for your position on respect for Tolkien's work if you weren't a fan of Peter Jackson's Middle Earth which is anything but respectful to its source material.  I would once again direct you to his money-grubbing exploitation of the Hobbit with its sandworms and the insertion of a love triangle story. However, at least there was no "forced diversity" to upset people of a certain mindset.

I have never claimed the series is massively popular only that it is liked by some people which is something on which you appear to agree with me. I am also pretty sure Socrates would recognise a straw man argument, particularly when it is so ineptly deployed.

Diggy Diggy Hole - a rather catchy little number 


Even it it is a bit Boaty McBoatface in the naming stakes!

QuoteI have no idea why you would think I had slandered you and in any case, the Socrates quote is false.

Thank you. I shall stop using that one. What I was getting at is that you posted my withdrawal from the thread rather than dealing with the substance of my post. 

QuoteI would have more sympathy for your position on respect for Tolkien's work if you weren't a fan of Peter Jackson's Middle Earth which is anything but respectful to its source material.

What makes you think I'm a fan of Peter Jackson? All I did was cite the difference between his aims and the RoP as evidenced by Lenny Henry's rather arrogant comment. I have never watched a Peter Jackson film. I have read the books and listened to the BBC radio series. 

QuoteHowever, at least there was no "forced diversity" to upset people of a certain mindset.

By that you mean Tolkien fans, I trust? As for "forced diversity" I give you California tax law and Oscar Diversity Quotas.
https://gamerant.com/gavin-newsom-california-diversity-rules-film-tv-tax-incentive/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/09/movies/oscars-best-picture-diversity.html

QuoteI have never claimed the series is massively popular only that it is liked by some people which is something on which you appear to agree with me.

Posting a single 83% rating score would seem to indicate that you think the show is massively popular.   

QuoteI am also pretty sure Socrates would recognise a straw man argument, particularly when it is so ineptly deployed.

It's OK. I'm sure you'll get better at it.

Anyway. I suggest we stop this bickering. I'm bored and won't post on this again unless i feel personally attacked or there is some other gross misrepresentation. 

Back to The Rings of Power . . .

Just caught up with the latest episode - frankly, the whole thing is just boring.

Watched the first episode of House of the Dragon, and so far it's far better than R.O.P

We call them both Game of Hobbits.

Quote from: FierceKitty on 23 September 2022, 10:08:12 AMWe call them both Game of Hobbits.

Is that allowed given that Peter Dinklage is a Dwarf?

So you could be offending him on two counts

1 By referring to him as a hobbit instead of a dwarf
2 Calling it Game of Hobbits because it a person of diminutive stature in it 

RoP is slow and as our daughter said last week, she is struggling to care about any of the characters. Still we find it easy watching.

GoT has been a slow start and has only just got interesting for us (episode 4 I think).

Both are OK but neither (currently) can compare to the original GoT (exluding the dreadful final series).

Quote from: FierceKitty on 23 September 2022, 10:08:12 AMWe call them both Game of Hobbits.

GoT is obviously an influence- although in line with Tolkienesque ambience there doesn't seem to be any nudity in RoP

The gratuitous lack of nudity is one of the reasons why we've given up RoP.

Quote from: FierceKitty on 23 September 2022, 01:40:02 PMThe gratuitous lack of nudity is one of the reasons why we've given up RoP.

Well, I do understand. In recent yearsI have been more Conan than LotR