Quote from: flamingpig0 on 06 September 2022, 08:07:10 AMI edited my original comment as it involved mention of the well-documented Dwarf Vijyanta equipped armoured brigade and Witch Elf spider riders.

But they were never used - WRONG       

QuoteI wonder if it's possible to strip out anything and everything not in the book from those films and make a decent  coherent film?

I believe that this HAS been done... somewhere on the Net. Have not looked.
Cutting down 3 large tomes of LOTR into 3 movies... Yeah.
Expanding 1 smallish book into 3 movies! Whole Load of c**p!
I likes 'The Hobbit' best of Books!

TV series... maybe... 'a bit 'divorced' from Tolkien... well, when it comes out on DVD...  maybe.

I've not had a chance to watch yet but intend to. Been ignoring most of the vitriol online as the usual polarised nonsense. It may be good, it may be bad, it doesn't take away from the original work. I enjoyed lord of the rings films but found the hobbit films tiresome. But I know others who enjoyed them both.

A big part of the issue with the series is Amazon didn't have rights to any of the core books, so is having to stitch together it's own story based on the snippets of lore and obviously compress some things to make a coherent story.

The stuff about Tolkien turning in his grave I don't know... maybe, but he as much as anyone would know myth and legend, which his world is firmly rooted in, are not monolithic stories but living tales that adapt and inspire each generation in their own way. It's why we have so many different versions of so many myths and legends, because people take different things from them at different times and apply their own influences and adaptions to suit the needs of the story teller and audience. The idea of a story as a static entity is largely the invention of modern literature. 

I don't think the creators of the show are looking to change it beyond all recognition, but create a story that connects to the world and lore but still resonates with a modern audience. Whether they succeed or not will remain to be seen!

QuotePeter Jackson and Lenny Henry are fluent in bullshit.

They speak very highly of you.

My point was that Jackson tried hard to keep to the spirit of Tolkein, Amazon are just using a title and a few character names to attract fans to a series that has only a passing semblance to the original lore.  "Rings of Power" is to Tolkein as "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies" is to Austen.

QuoteThey speak very highly of you.

My point was that Jackson tried hard to keep to the spirit of Tolkein, Amazon are just using a title and a few character names to attract fans to a series that has only a passing semblance to the original lore.  "Rings of Power" is to Tolkein as "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies" is to Austen.

Hey, I liked Pride and Prejeudice and Zombies.


I've just not found a suitable set of rules yet.

QuoteHey, I liked Pride and Prejeudice and Zombies.


I've just not found a suitable set of rules yet.

Would The Silver Bayonet work? Not played but seem suitable...

QuoteHey, I liked Pride and Prejeudice and Zombies.


I've just not found a suitable set of rules yet.

I liked  Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter; largely as it annoyed the right people

Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 07 September 2022, 11:46:41 AMHey, I liked Pride and Prejeudice and Zombies.

You make my point for me. I thought the "and zombies" added to a rather turgid and dated tale, but I wouldn't put the zombies on the same shelf as the original in a library. Similarly Amazon's Ring just ain't Tolkein, but if you like it, knock yourself out.     

Just reminded me

Cannot be worse than ITV ,'Beowulf: Return to the Shieldlands', 2016. Virtually NO historical context, apart from names. PC casting with frequently 'poor' acting'. Effects not bad... but a 'Sand worm'? Even the sets were just naff.  If it had been just a 'Fantasy' land, maybe... but nothing to do with Beowulf legend. Cancelled.... did not buy DVD! lol.

QuoteCannot be worse than ITV ,'Beowulf: Return to the Shieldlands', 2016. Virtually NO historical context, apart from names. PC casting with frequently 'poor' acting'. Effects not bad... but a 'Sand worm'? Even the sets were just naff.  If it had been just a 'Fantasy' land, maybe... but nothing to do with Beowulf legend. Cancelled.... did not buy DVD! lol.

Never heard of this, but I bet that an ITV budget is likely <5% of an HBO or Amazon budget.

Quote from: Raider4 on 10 September 2022, 07:28:41 AMNever heard of this, but I bet that an ITV budget is likely <5% of an HBO or Amazon budget.

Seems to me the one place that money never gets to be well spent is in the writers' room.

I see that in Rings of Power, MCU, STD, Dr Who etc, etc.

Well, I've enjoyed the first three episodes of Rings of Power, enjoyed The Witcher, love the MCU films (not so keen on the DC stuff), Dr Who suffered from the loss of Russell T Davis, The Star Wars spin-offs have been a welcome return to form after the first and third trilogies.

As far as I'm concerned we are in a golden age of screen science fiction and fantasy.

Quote from: Ithoriel on 10 September 2022, 11:02:20 AMWell, I've enjoyed the first three episodes of Rings of Power, enjoyed The Witcher, love the MCU films (not so keen on the DC stuff), Dr Who suffered from the loss of Russell T Davis, The Star Wars spin-offs have been a welcome return to form after the first and third trilogies.

As far as I'm concerned we are in a golden age of screen science fiction and fantasy.

I would tend to agree although I can't get on with the modern Dr Who,which I put down to the completely  unatmospheric incidental music.

I am afraid "Rings of Power" is not going to appeal to white supremacist gate keepers or other culture war enthusiasts.

Oh dear. Let's ignore the quality and go straight to accusations of racism.

Like I say. You like it, go for it. If it was not branded "Tolkein", it would pass rather unnoticed. Look at the Game of Thrones sequel. Very good reviews and (whisper it softly) it has black people in it!