Very nice work

      

Impressive

Another small unit finished, The danish Livgarden til hest:


 
I am slowly coming closer to my "small scale" goal of depicting the battle of Helsingborg, but it will take some more time.

By "Small scale" I mean 18-man infantry units on 3 bases with 6 men per base, and cavalry units in either 2,3 or 4 bases with 3 horses per base(making 6/9/12 fig cavalry units). When I eventually finish this scale I will go back just double the amount of bases and make 36 man infantry units etcetera.

On the Danish side I have 11 cavalry and 21 infantry bases left to do, and on the Swedish side 10 cavalry bases and 21 infantry bases.

Excellent! I look forward to seeing the two sides in action.

Very nice indeed

Nice work as always .

      

A good way of getting the troops on the table

That's the plan! I'm working away at the Danish cavalry so I can have a small test game with equal amount of cavalry and infantry, just to have a go at the two rule systems I'm planning on using.

Far, far in the future, after I've completed the "large scale" goal I would also be able to go back and play Helsingborg in Gå På's original batallion scale, using 18-man units as batallions instead of regiments.     

QuoteThank you Westmarcher Short answer is that the yellow paint is the ornamental style swedish artillery was painted in (Same for Denmark, with red carriages with some metal parts ornamentally painted in a subdued yellow). I have based the figures on both gun carriages I've seen in person and from pictures, this one is an artillery piece from 1703:
https://digitaltmuseum.se/011024410078/24-lodigt-eldror
You can see how the clasps probably were painted yellow all around but the parts touching the ground had the paint worn off.

A postscript? I don't know if this will be of interest to you but, because I'm more interested in the later Seven Years War, I was browsing Pendraken's SYW range and the excellent Kronoskaf website tonight and came across an entry for Swedish Artillery. In this, it says:-

Guns, limbers and caissons were painted light blue and the brass barrels and brass fittings were free of paint. There are also references to iron fittings.

Obviously, the SYW is later than the GNW but it seemed strange to me that 40-50 years later, the Swedes would stop painting the fittings (especially when we all know that sometimes certain practices or traditions can last a long time). There could be a number of explanations, of course. For example,

• The practice was changed between the GNW and the War of Austrian Succession?
• Someone in a later century (e.g., from the museum) misinterpreted the available sources at the time and painted the fittings yellow in error?
• From time to time, fittings on some carriages were indeed made of iron and not brass (and therefore painted)?

There are also some photographs of these later guns from the Swedish Army Museum (I believe they are from the same source as your link) which appear to support Kronoskaf.

Kronoskaf - SYW Swedish Artillery

Of further interest, are the following images from the Royal Danish Arsenal Museum.

Royal Danish Arsenal Museum - mortars

I find this slightly confusing in the sense that the fittings look like unpainted brass on two of the mortar carriages but what is that on the third (the one on the right)? Has someone recently painted the fittings with metallic paint that is meant to represent brass? If so, has it been done  because they want to give us an idea what it might have looked like in days of old (could also be to protect aged metalwork)? Who knows?

I'm sure you won't lose sleep over this (and apologies if you do). Quite a mystery, isn't it? But one of the aspects I find fascinating about historical wargaming. So glad I'm not doing Ancients (then again, perhaps in the absence of reliable sources, Ancients is easier because you can simply make it up).     

Looking forward to your next photographs. Hopefully, it won't be too long before we see them "in action." 

p.s. another link of a Danish gun which pre-dates the GNW.
Danish Bronze fortress gun  

 

Quote from: Westmarcher on 01 September 2022, 10:43:35 PMA postscript? I don't know if this will be of interest to you but, because I'm more interested in the later Seven Years War, I was browsing Pendraken's SYW range and the excellent Kronoskaf website tonight and came across an entry for Swedish Artillery. In this, it says:-

Guns, limbers and caissons were painted light blue and the brass barrels and brass fittings were free of paint. There are also references to iron fittings.

Obviously, the SYW is later than the GNW but it seemed strange to me that 40-50 years later, the Swedes would stop painting the fittings (especially when we all know that sometimes certain practices or traditions can last a long time). There could be a number of explanations, of course. For example,

• The practice was changed between the GNW and the War of Austrian Succession?
• Someone in a later century (e.g., from the museum) misinterpreted the available sources at the time and painted the fittings yellow in error?
• From time to time, fittings on some carriages were indeed made of iron and not brass (and therefore painted)?

There are also some photographs of these later guns from the Swedish Army Museum (I believe they are from the same source as your link) which appear to support Kronoskaf.

Kronoskaf - SYW Swedish Artillery

Of further interest, are the following images from the Royal Danish Arsenal Museum.

Royal Danish Arsenal Museum - mortars

I find this slightly confusing in the sense that the fittings look like unpainted brass on two of the mortar carriages but what is that on the third (the one on the right)? Has someone recently painted the fittings with metallic paint that is meant to represent brass? If so, has it been done  because they want to give us an idea what it might have looked like in days of old (could also be to protect aged metalwork)? Who knows?

I'm sure you won't lose sleep over this (and apologies if you do). Quite a mystery, isn't it? But one of the aspects I find fascinating about historical wargaming. So glad I'm not doing Ancients (then again, perhaps in the absence of reliable sources, Ancients is easier because you can simply make it up).   

Looking forward to your next photographs. Hopefully, it won't be too long before we see them "in action." 

p.s. another link of a Danish gun which pre-dates the GNW.
Danish Bronze fortress gun   

 

Thanks for the links!
Kronoskaf is a real gem, their wss material has been useful for me. But as with all wikis, one must be a bit cautious and look up the original sources, I have had issues where I can't find the information in the provided sources. The ones presented on that page are also kind of hard to evaluate other than with caution, as they are two wargaming articles, one from a now-defunct web page and the other from a wargaming magazine from the 1980's, none being by a swedish author and both being hard to impossible to come by.

Here are my own thoughts on the questions you raised:
Apart from uniform sources like Höglund there are existing museum examples of the blue and yellow paint scheme dated from the late 17th century to the napolenic wars, even several blue and yellow examples presented on the aforementioned kronoskaf page. But there are indeed "blue and black" schemes too. I'd  hesitate to call that evidence for changing practices, more likely several concurently existing paint schemes.

I do absolutely agree with you that several of the examples may be repainted or even 19th century replicas of the gun carriages. But there are also examples like thishttps://digitaltmuseum.se/0210210458116/modell-av-60-pundig-morsare(a 1/4th scale model produced in 1683), which I find unlikely to have been repainted in an incorrect scheme.

I've was fortunate enough to have visited the Army Museum this summer, and had a good chat with one of the intendents(curators?) who pointed out that there also seems to have been a third paint scheme!!! Fortress artillery was painted red instead of blue, but this can only be surmised from surviving carriages.

Hehe, no worries on the sleep, I love researching my wargaming projects and be able to have things "histocially correct", but I'm very pragmatic about it and frequently depart from the facts when I feel like it.   

Next up: Sachiska infanteriregementet, which is a rather interesting unit. It was created by enlisting saxon(mainly mercenaries) prisoners of war. Sweden captured enough saxon POW's to raise several batallions of pow regiments, and where often used as disposable units deployed piecemeal as rearguards to slow down the Danish conquest of Scania. The poor sods seems to have been aware of this, and surrendered more than once to the Danish without firing a shot. Schomer's regiment did fight well at Helsingborg, deployed in the centre of the Swedish first line. According Arthur Stille it flanked the Danish Grenadier corps after the danish centre collapsed, supporting Kronobergs regemente's attack on "söndagskarlarna"(Swedish nickname for the grenadier corp in their fine clothing and caps, i.e wearing their finest sunday clothes).

Rather then being equipped in the "swedish way" they never recieved any pikes and fought as a musket only unit.

Cool unit. 

I thought there was a giant Panda attached in the bottom photo.

QuoteI thought there was a giant Panda attached in the bottom photo.

Once seen, never unseen!


Despite that, great paint job.