Great Northern War; first 10mm wargaming project

Started by collegialhoagie, 16 April 2022, 01:54:55 PM

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paulr

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Quote from: collegialhoagie on 19 June 2022, 08:47:59 AMSuper exited to hear about the Scanian war, I'm sure mr. Broden has a hand in that possibly? I recently got hold of the rare L-E Höglund edition of Swedish uniforms, flags & standards of the Scanian war, it is 100% going to be my next project after the GNW!



Yes Per Broden has produced a very nice game of Lund, 1676. We are running it at a UK show on July 3rd so I guess photos of that will appear online.

If anyone is going to the Joy of Six show in Sheffield then come and say Hi.

Well done on tracking down Hoglund's Scanian War book. I am sure I am not the only one who wishes he had done more books and that these, including the Great Northern War books, were more easily available.

Personally I would love something like the Hoglund books on the armies involved in the German campaigns of the Scanian War. I have made a small start of getting Wrangel's army but also the Danes, Prussians, Hanoverians and allies involved or potentially involved in this campaign.

The 'Burenskold/Stenbock' figure is great, as indeed are all your figures. I hope at some point you can put some shots of the full army online.

collegialhoagie

Quote from: Hwiccee on 20 June 2022, 09:19:41 AMYes Per Broden has produced a very nice game of Lund, 1676. We are running it at a UK show on July 3rd so I guess photos of that will appear online.

If anyone is going to the Joy of Six show in Sheffield then come and say Hi.

Well done on tracking down Hoglund's Scanian War book. I am sure I am not the only one who wishes he had done more books and that these, including the Great Northern War books, were more easily available.

Personally I would love something like the Hoglund books on the armies involved in the German campaigns of the Scanian War. I have made a small start of getting Wrangel's army but also the Danes, Prussians, Hanoverians and allies involved or potentially involved in this campaign.

The 'Burenskold/Stenbock' figure is great, as indeed are all your figures. I hope at some point you can put some shots of the full army online.

Looking forward to see that, his battle of Narva table is incomprehesible cool. I wish we had similar historical wargaming conventions in Sweden...

yeah I was quite happy to find the swedish edition for a reasonable price, as I was able to get all his swedish books about the great northern war too, which has been indispensible as a reference.

Thanks for the kind words, it has been a blast getting into this small scale, progress has been steady. I'll definitely putting up the full army for a photo shoot eventually!



collegialhoagie

Sorry in advance for the picture dump. I've finished the danish wing commanders, and tried to put some extra effort trying to get a good light grey/white horse colour, going from dark grey, layering up to almost pure white. I'm quite happy with the final result, and will probably be using this for the trumpeters in the rest of the swedish regular cavalry units.

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DecemDave

Beautiful stuff.

Not compulsory but I think brown horses look even better with some white on some of their lower legs and face

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:-bd  =D>  :-bd  =D>

No need to apologise for pictures here ;)

A sock or two and a blaze, snip and/or star do lift a brown horse

You may find the below that FierceKitty posted a while ago either helpful or frightening

Quote from: FierceKitty on 26 May 2014, 12:21:27 PMSince you probably share my profound boredom with painting horses, gentlemen (and the rest of you), this might be a useful item to glance at:

  http://majnouna.deviantart.com/art/Guide-to-Horse-Colors-and-Patterns-243666224

And remember to paint a Sioux army at least once in your life, where the horses get to wear warpaint too.
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Clearly that poster was done on an A4 sheet by a previous winner of the Pendraken painting competition.   ~X(

I think I'd struggle to read it if it was blown up to wall size.   :-B

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QuoteClearly that poster was done on an A4 sheet by a previous winner of the Pendraken painting competition.  ~X(

I think I'd struggle to read it if it was blown up to wall size.  :-B
There's something slightly easier to read here: Painting Horses.

All the GW paint names have changed since this was written, so you'll have to adapt accordingly.

To collegialhogie - As Fred says, they look great!


paulr

Quote from: DecemDave on 21 June 2022, 10:30:05 AMClearly that poster was done on an A4 sheet by a previous winner of the Pendraken painting competition.   ~X(

I think I'd struggle to read it if it was blown up to wall size.   :-B

I'm able to zoom in on it by clicking on it twice...
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collegialhoagie

Quote:-bd  =D>  :-bd  =D>

No need to apologise for pictures here ;)

A sock or two and a blaze, snip and/or star do lift a brown horse

You may find the below that FierceKitty posted a while ago either helpful or frightening

QuoteThere's something slightly easier to read here: Painting Horses.

All the GW paint names have changed since this was written, so you'll have to adapt accordingly.

To collegialhogie - As Fred says, they look great!

Thanks for the suggestions and linking to those resources! I've had some information from a table at Tacitus.nu about the most common horse colours used in the different horse regiments, for Ösgöta cavalry regiment being 42% Bay/dark bay (I think that's correct english term), but says nothing about markings. Apparently the preferred colour was Bay and Black but most of all a dark colour as much as possible. I'm gonig to have a look at Henry Waxbergs old "The horse in the Carolean cavalry" to see if they had any regulations concerning white markings!

collegialhoagie

I'm also happy to have recieved a sample of 1 figure each of the SYW infantry in march attack pose from Pendraken to so I could decide which works the best as a proxy for Swedish carolean infantry. I've quickly painted them up and this is how they look:



Top picture, from left to right: SYF23(French), SYA1(Austrian), SYR6(Russian),SYB1(British)

The prussian figure was disqualified before painting since they apparently didn't really have tricorns.
As you can see, either of them would work decently on the tabletop as a swedish unit. Some things to consider:

SYF23:
The closest proxy for swedish carolean infantry.
Plus: closed coat with turnbacks.
Minus: Cockade on tricorne, two scabards(?).

SYA1:
Plus: No cockade on tricorn, single scabar, long hair.
Minus: open "prussian" coat, a big second bag on the left hip that conceals the turnbacks.

SYR6
Plus: single bag, long hair in hair pouch, clearly visible turnbacks on left hip.
Minus: open "prussian" coat.

SYB1
Plus: single bag, clearly visible turnbacks on left hip.
Minus: open "prussian" coat, short hair.

In the end, I decided that I will use SYF23 as the marching proxy and SYR6 as the march attack proxy, but it was a very close call between the figures in march attack pose.

I would of course love for the swedish range to expand in the future, but this will certainly do for now! I haven't tried to trim down the cockade on these samples but I may do when I receieve my next order.

paulr

My understanding is Bays usually had darker brown/grey (almost black) markings
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Quote from: DecemDave on 21 June 2022, 10:30:05 AMClearly that poster was done on an A4 sheet by a previous winner of the Pendraken painting competition.   ~X(

I think I'd struggle to read it if it was blown up to wall size.   :-B

Open it in MS Paint, then you can read it, albeit not all on the screen at the same time.  You can cut the bits that you are interested in into small files and print them.  That's what I did anyway.

John Cook

Quote from: paulr on 30 June 2022, 08:55:35 AMMy understanding is Bays usually had darker brown/grey (almost black) markings
Yes, Bays do have very dark brown (charcoal in appearance) manes, tails and lower legs.  Chestnuts are pretty much the same brown colour overall.  Both can have white leg and facial markings, but people tend to overdo these when painting horses in my view, particularly in 10mm. White markings can be almost invisible,
I rather like painting horses although greys are the most difficult to get right I find, fortunately the British army stopped mounting musicians on greys in 1799.
Some final points, for what they are worth, never use pure black on horses - far too stark and doesn't exist in nature.  Go for a Black-Grey such as Vallejo's.  Finish horses with an egg-shell varnish to give them a bit of a sheen and, lastly, other-ranks horses in the British army were nag-tailed.   

collegialhoagie

16 July 2022, 05:35:29 PM #97 Last Edit: 16 July 2022, 06:05:16 PM by collegialhoagie
After popping in on Discord to have a look at the Pendraken birthday party, I had some time to picture the latest addition to the battle of Helsingborg.

I've finished up two small units from the second line of the swedish left flank, Smålands kavalleriregemente and Skånska tre- och femmänningsregementet till häst.

These are two very different units, Småland being one of the original "indelta"/alloted cavalry regiments raised before the war and was part of the King's army fighting at Kliszów 1702, Pułtusk 1703, Warszawa 1705, Holowczyn 1708, until it was lost at Poltava, and reraised for the defence of Skåne in 1709, and the other one being one of the temporary regiments raised in 1700 by combining three and five rusthåll to set up one extra cavalryman, only participating in one field battle, i.e at Helsingborg.

Johan Valentin von Daldorff, the colonel of Smålands, was originally a messenger of the duke of Holstein-Gottorp sent to its ally Sweden with the news of the peace at Travendal, and then took service in the Swedish army. Daldroff avoided capture at Poltava and followed Charles XII into the Ottoman empire and participated in the skirmish at Bender, got back to Sweden to lead his reraised regiment, finally meeting his end in the battle of Stresow 1715.

Count Göran Gyllenstierna was the colonel of Skånska tre- och femmänningsregementet till häst, and apart from a member of the high nobility also an experienced career officer serving in the coalition army in the nine years' war, and later in the defence of the homeland.  As the line commander on the left flank he distinguished himself in the battle, and was promoted to Major General by Stenbock.





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