The Elizabethan range appears to have most of the figures needed. For Millers you could look at the demilancer EL8 or the 30 Years War cavalry with pistol in burgonet YW3. I would go with Impetus, although Warlord Games are bringing out a Pike and Shotte version of their rules soon. As for DBanything - aarghhh!. Although HOTT ain't too bad and does cater for weapons of the Renaissance period (and dragons and bears).
DP

Ahhh - George Gush's rennaissance rules

Many an hour whiled away cutting out the sentences from the errata sheet and then pritt sticking these extracts over the erronous bits of text.  'Cut & paste' before the advent of the PC

Takes me back to my days on ROP's updating technical hardware manuals and vehicle logbooks whenever a new operating procedure came out... hence why I never received an LSGC

Hi Freddy

Quote from: freddy326 on 17 October 2011, 09:16:00 AM
I'm assuming that the Landsknecht range are ok for the mercenary armies that were around at this time?.

thanks!

For the French Wars of Religion, the Landsknechts were in pluderhosen so the Pendraken range is for an earlier period. Not sure what to recommend to replace them, maybe the Elizabethan pike could be used.





People were talking about George Gush's reference work, most of it is available here - http://greatestbattles.iblogger.org/Renaissance/RenaissanceWarfare-AirfixMagazineArticles.htm

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan

Quote from: DanJ on 17 October 2011, 03:52:02 PM

Personally I like playing Renaissance games set in Italy, basically the Italian wars from the original city states to the arrival of the French and Imperialists and the fall of the Papacy.

agree; best way to start the period. Lots of colour, all the armies have attractive qualities and strengths, and not too many outlanding heavy cavalry types to confuse new players. A bonus is that you can call it renaissance and for once be using the term accurately!
   Funny you should mention the renaissance; an easy way to make some good baggage elements is to print out some renaiiance paintings, stick 'em onto mounts, and stack 'em against each other as loot. A few Botticellis and Leonardos look really smart.

Quote from: FierceKittyA bonus is that you can call it renaissance and for once be using the term accurately!

Better call it Quattrocento. Or course you would call it Early Modern Period if you were in the American Historical Association. No offense, but the AHA are politically correct morons whose heads should be stuck on pikes and paraded through western capitals.

Quote from: FierceKittyA few Botticellis and Leonardos look really smart.

"Is that a Donatello in your Plunderhose or are you happy to see me?"  

Cheers,
Aart

Quote from: Aart Brouwer on 18 October 2011, 07:14:52 AM
Better call it Quattrocento.

Mi dispiace, but most of the fighting was in the cinquecento. Fornovo being the honourable exception.



"Is that a Donatello in your Plunderhose or are you happy to see me?"  

Cheers,
Aart

Quote from: FierceKittyMi dispiace, but most of the fighting was in the cinquecento. Fornovo being the honourable exception.

Va bene, FierceKitty, but I thought DanJ was primarily interested in the Condottiere wars of the fourteen hundreds.

Freddy again likes his wars to be French and religious, for which Le Poulet Gauche is a nice site.

Cheers,
Aart

Reminder: the Grey Company (as in the Three Musketeers) were in fact a cavalry regiment.

Aart

Not enough room in a Cinquecento to swing a cat let alone have a battle.



Chad



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Anyone swinging me is going to lose a his cacciatorino.

Quote from: Chad on 18 October 2011, 11:54:20 AM
Aart
Not enough room in a Cinquecento to swing a cat let alone have a battle.

Chad

Leave it to the Italians. You'd be amazed how many children have been fathered (or born, for that matter) in a mere Toppolino. I wouldn't be surprised if the Cinquecento had room for a full-blown Italian civil war.

Cheers,
Aart

Quote...I thought DanJ was primarily interested in the Condottiere wars of the fourteen hundreds

That's right, late fourteenth to early sixteenth centuries, the for me the Italian Wars are Renaissance warfare.  It's amazing what the Italians achived in terms of art, litterature, science, religion etc against a backdrop of virtually constant warfare and who couln't be inspired by an army commanded by a Borgia?

By the middle of the sixteenth century the fire had, probably inevitably, gone out of the Renaissance and all we had to look forward to was Baroque architecture, the counter reformation and the interminable wars of religion, none of which I find inspiring.

Incidentaly why would anyone want to call the Renaissance the Early moden period?  Early modern period is bland, boring and uninformative and what's none political about Renaissance? It refers to a particular period and place, highlighting the exposion in learning brought about by the rediscovery of many ancient texts and authors which led to the great flowering in Italy and then across Europe.

Quote from: DanJ on 18 October 2011, 01:57:49 PM
By the middle of the sixteenth century the fire had, probably inevitably, gone out of the Renaissance and all we had to look forward to was Baroque architecture, the counter reformation and the interminable wars of religion, none of which I find inspiring.

While I share your admiration for the renaissance, and think that Italy and Japan are worth the rest of the world combined, I think the best was still to come in the mid-16th century. Or aren't you a music-lover? Or an espresso drinker? Or grateful for reliable contraception?

Quote from: freddy326 on 17 October 2011, 09:16:00 AM

I'm rather short of any info about this period of history!

Freddy,

This is a nice article on the rise of the pistol and demise of the lance during the period 1550 - 1620:


http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_lancepistol.html


Cheers, Rob 

Quote from: Rob on 18 October 2011, 08:38:39 PM
Freddy,

This is a nice article on the rise of the pistol and demise of the lance during the period 1550 - 1620:


http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_lancepistol.html


Cheers, Rob 

Thanks. Hadn't read that one myself.

Quote from: Rob on 18 October 2011, 08:38:39 PM
Freddy,

This is a nice article on the rise of the pistol and demise of the lance during the period 1550 - 1620:


http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_lancepistol.html


Cheers, Rob 

You are right, that is a useful article.

regards

Freddy

QuoteI think the best was still to come in the mid-16th century. Or aren't you a music-lover? Or an espresso drinker? Or grateful for reliable contraception?

There are many great things to come (not least Shakespeare) but I hold the opinion that roughly the middle of the 16th century marks the end of the Renaissance.  There was an undoubted continum of achievement but often they were achieved on the back of what the Renaissance created.  For instance I would say that Shakespeare isn't a Renaissance poet but that Chaucer was, Chaucer was a polymath and diplomat in Italy during the Condotierre wars and was among the first to write in the vernacular while Shakespeare was working more than a century later and is merely the greatest poet the world has ever seen. 

Quote from: DanJ on 19 October 2011, 10:21:02 AM
Shakespeare [...] is merely the greatest poet the world has ever seen. 

That begs the question how many languages you can read? 

Don't tell me it's only English. 

Cheers,
Aart

Quote from: Aart Brouwer on 19 October 2011, 02:27:53 PM
That begs the question how many languages you can read? 

Don't tell me it's only English. 

Cheers,
Aart

Wasn't it Whister who observed that when an Englishman had said that Shakesoeare was the greatest of all writers, he no longer felt any urge to read any other - or to read Shakespeare either?
NO reflection on any posters in this thread is implied.

QuoteDon't tell me it's only English. 

OK, you got me there I can just about get by in French and have a smattering of United States American but I should have said greatest writer in the English Language.