Quote from: DecemDave on 20 January 2022, 10:07:02 AMThanks guys. Shows how anglo-centric my so called knowledge is. I was thinking there are so many other choices of priests and monks who have encouraged the butchering of fellow humans in the name of God on the actual battlefield. Dark ages, Byzantines, Reconquista, Crusades, National wars in GB, HYW, Conquistadores,... Monk packs could be a best seller!  Yet this guy seemed more of an exceptionally well travelled missionary.   Guess it could work out the same depending on the ears that listen to you. So your Xavier will appear on a command stand presumably with a small pile of fire-wood around a pole behind him?  Oh that was a different thread....

There you go. If you think of the influence of Christianity or the last 2000 years or so, and the remarkable lack of fashion choices, Monks and Nuns are quite useful. 

I love the story of Nobunaga's saying to him "Either you Christians are super humans, or you're pulling off the biggest scam in history."

Quote from: fsn on 20 January 2022, 01:02:13 PMThere you go. If you think of the influence of Christianity or the last 2000 years or so, and the remarkable lack of fashion choices, Monks and Nuns are quite useful. 

Jesuits chose black because they could, as black dye was invented in the fourteenth century: plenty of fashion awareness amongst the clergy!           

Well that must come as a surprise for the Benedictines who had been wearing black for 800 years.
 

Quote from: fsn on 20 January 2022, 07:30:40 PMWell that must come as a surprise for the Benedictines who had been wearing black for 800 years.
 

Complex.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black

In the 14th century, the status of black began to change. First, high-quality black dyes began to arrive on the market, allowing garments of a deep, rich black. Magistrates and government officials began to wear black robes, as a sign of the importance and seriousness of their positions. A third reason was the passage of sumptuary laws in some parts of Europe which prohibited the wearing of costly clothes and certain colors by anyone except members of the nobility. The famous bright scarlet cloaks from Venice and the peacock blue fabrics from Florence were restricted to the nobility. The wealthy bankers and merchants of northern Italy responded by changing to black robes and gowns, made with the most expensive fabrics.

A recent code in use for medieval camp scene. It takes two to tango, as they say on TMP.

    

QuoteComplex.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black

In the 14th century, the status of black began to change. First, high-quality black dyes began to arrive on the market, allowing garments of a deep, rich black. Magistrates and government officials began to wear black robes, as a sign of the importance and seriousness of their positions. A third reason was the passage of sumptuary laws in some parts of Europe which prohibited the wearing of costly clothes and certain colors by anyone except members of the nobility. The famous bright scarlet cloaks from Venice and the peacock blue fabrics from Florence were restricted to the nobility. The wealthy bankers and merchants of northern Italy responded by changing to black robes and gowns, made with the most expensive fabrics.

The Landsknechts laugh at your sumptuary laws.

Seeing the new monk figure reminds me I had been looking for a figure to use for a priest to go with Spanish Civil War Carlists.

QuoteSeeing the new monk figure reminds me I had been looking for a figure to use for a priest to go with Spanish Civil War Carlists.

It could be the most flexible pack that Pendraken ever commissioned.

Not sure about that. I think that the sheep & goats are most flexible, as they go back to biblical times.

Quote from: Big Insect on 04 February 2022, 04:41:58 PMNot sure about that. I think that the sheep & goats are most flexible, as they go back to biblical times.

Further, wouldn't you say?

Quote from: FierceKitty on 05 February 2022, 01:04:24 AMFurther, wouldn't you say?

Just a bit!!

Sheep and goats seem to have been the first animals to be domesticated, about 12,000 years ago. Not that they looked exactly like the Pendraken ones.

Back when I did Archaeology at uni the remains of sheep and goats at sites like Jericho and Çatal Hüyük were described merely as ovicaprids because the fragmentary remains were indistinguishable to the tests available at the time.

What a coincidence.  Ovicaprid curry tonight.