Quote from: chrishanley on 20 October 2021, 10:20:54 AM
It is becoming increasingly obvious that this government is much more motivated by staying in power than taking any appropriate action that will benefit the country. Photoshoots of a clown in a hi-vis jacket/hard-hat will not save lives.

Is that too political? 

Shame there's no "+1, mod up, would recommend" button... but yes.

Quote from: chrishanley on 20 October 2021, 10:20:54 AM
It is becoming increasingly obvious that this government is much more motivated by staying in power than taking any appropriate action that will benefit the country. Photoshoots of a clown in a hi-vis jacket/hard-hat will not save lives.

Is that too political? 

Perhappes it is a tad political - but rather accurate.......

Not just This Govt... applies everywhere! True, nonetheless.

Ma 89 with Dementia. Got NHS coms for boosters, but waiting for contact from local Health Centre... as with previous shots... but with Flu jab at same time. Massive problem is that her 'mobility' now MUCH less than earlier in year. Just cannot see how to get her to Vac Centre... so hoping for an alternative. Awaiting events. 

My 90 y-o father had his booster shot last week courtesy of the NHS. Over here in the Colonies my wife and I are still waiting to hear about getting it. We're also hearing about breakthrough cases where people who were fully vaccinated AND had the booster shot have died anyway. We only go out when we have to, and wear masks within public buildings. Too many people are too blasé about it all, though. 

Quote from: Poggle on 20 October 2021, 01:07:14 PM
My 90 y-o father had his booster shot last week courtesy of the NHS. Over here in the Colonies my wife and I are still waiting to hear about getting it. We're also hearing about breakthrough cases where people who were fully vaccinated AND had the booster shot have died anyway. We only go out when we have to, and wear masks within public buildings. Too many people are too blasé about it all, though. 

Colin Powell for one, but then his raft of underlying conditions meant that was disturbingly likely, unfortunetly for him!

EVERYBODY . WILL.  GET. some form of Covid, eventually. It's there , and will not go away. It is just how badly afffected. So, shots, and if possible boosters.

Was at a Scottish wargames show a few weeks back. Everyone wore a mask.

Just seen some pictures of an English wargames show. Hardly a mask in sight.

If I had been at the English show I would have worn a mask. I am double jabbed and flu jabbed as well. Just waiting for my booster.

Indeed, Jim.

South of the border we appear to have just given up, although I did see a Bolt Action comp recently from the 'States, where no one was masked.

Apparently that was fine becuase it was an enclosed space, there was no ventilation, it was incredibly hot and stuffy, and wearing a mask would have made it worse.

HH, I'd like to wait for as long as possible, until its thinned out down to a common cold and we're not in the middle of overwhelming and selling off the NHS though

I'm just getting totally confused now..(Well, there's a change. )...The news if full of "Will we have to go back to lock-down, because of the number of cases increasing ?"

From what I've gleaned on the radio... Half of the folk want restrictions of some sort, brought back in...The other half are basically saying **** that !!

Cheers - Phil.   

I don't think anybody *wants* another lockdown, or restrictions, but I think we *recognise* they may be necessary.

I think the problem with the restrictions is twofold.

1 Some people are completely fed up with the restrictions, ansd/ or cant cope with them
2 The economy won't stand another  few months of Furlough and closed businesses.

In the case of item 1. What are the government going to do to enforce them on these people?
In the case of 2. I think people would rather take the risks than lose , their job house or the ability to look sfter the family.

So the only option is see how we go and trade people getting sick and dying.  If the economy goes down the pan so does the NHS and we would lose even more people in the long run.

I understand the reluctance to introduce lockdown again - and there could be a lot of negatives to go with that

But I really don't understand why masks haven't stayed compulsory indoors and on public transport. Seems very little downside to this.

Daughter's school seems to be getting increasing numbers of cases - I think 6 off in her class this week - both pupils and staff - she is too young to be vaccinated (although that may change next week).

Oder daughter is a Uni and says there seem to be very few cases - but with a student population which will have a high level of vaccination.

What we think about this will partly depend on our individual circumstances (mine in brackets)

do we know anyone who died or got really sick from Covid (yes)
can we easily stay at home (most of the time yes)
do we care about other people not "following rules" (  )
are we savvy enough to navigate complex 5 page letters/instructions (yes but * ) and use the internet to book things (yes)
are we in an area where the NHS system works really well (yes) and we can physically get to it (yes)
do we give more credence to government/NHS/council statements than social media comments (yes)
etc

So for me its a doddle to have restrictions (and get more figures painted).  But I know people with many "no" s to the above  and I can easily imagine healthy folks who have to go to work and have no personal contacts who have gotten ill  just want to get on with life and accept the known risks.   Plus, of course, a few who don't give a ....   On the other hand, I know a housebound vulnerable individual awaiting their FIRST jab and an elderly couple who don't use the internet and tell me no-one answers the phones.

* Even I am confused over whether the jab I got last week was my third (I am immunosuppressed) or my booster (6 months after the second for the vulnerable)  or both.  They ARE different.  Should I book another as the last letter can be interpreted or follow common sense?

Quote from: DecemDave on 21 October 2021, 07:46:13 AM
What we think about this will partly depend on our individual circumstances (mine in brackets)

do we know anyone who died or got really sick from Covid (yes)
can we easily stay at home (most of the time yes)
do we care about other people not "following rules" (  )
are we savvy enough to navigate complex 5 page letters/instructions (yes but * ) and use the internet to book things (yes)
are we in an area where the NHS system works really well (yes) and we can physically get to it (yes)
do we give more credence to government/NHS/council statements than social media comments (yes)
etc

So for me its a doddle to have restrictions (and get more figures painted).  But I know people with many "no" s to the above  and I can easily imagine healthy folks who have to go to work and have no personal contacts who have gotten ill  just want to get on with life and accept the known risks.   Plus, of course, a few who don't give a ....   On the other hand, I know a housebound vulnerable individual awaiting their FIRST jab and an elderly couple who don't use the internet and tell me no-one answers the phones.

* Even I am confused over whether the jab I got last week was my third (I am immunosuppressed) or my booster (6 months after the second for the vulnerable)  or both.  They ARE different.  Should I book another as the last letter can be interpreted or follow common sense?

On your last point, the Mem is classed as a vulnerable person, so when she got her jab the other week it was classed as third, rather than my booster I got at the same time, and she was told she would get further communication to be called forward for a booster within six months.

Hi

Further to my post on Wednesday, Jack, my son, got his PCR test result first thing morning and it is positive. He is just feeling generally unwell (and sorry for himself and partly fed up as it means he will not earn any money from the job he has in our local pub at weekends). Carole and I booked our required PCR tests on line and are off to Shepton Mallet to have them in about an hour or so (we are not showing any symptoms of COVID). We had a phone call from the test and trace people at about 10.30 this morning which was all very positive and I must say things seem to working very efficiently here at the moment.

Cheers Paul