Some 10mm French

Started by lekw, 06 June 2021, 06:38:31 PM

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lekw

I finally posted a video of the start of my 10mm French. Hopefully more to follow.

http://myblog-lekw.blogspot.com/

pierre the shy

Very nice lekw....your "wargame standard" painting looks really good  :-bd
 


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A fine body of men there.

paulr

 :-bd =D> :-bd

Quote from: pierre the shy on 06 June 2021, 07:33:01 PM
Very nice lekw....your "wargame standard" painting looks really good  :-bd
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They look brilliant !  :-bd

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Very nice, I like the chunky size of the units.

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John Cook

Very nicely executed, including the bases.  One thing though, if you'll permit me, the flags are much too big.  The 1804 Model infantry drapeau was really very small, 80 x 80 cm (about 31.5 inches square).

Chad

And that represents how large a difference in 10mm scale? 🤔

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Quote from: Chad on 07 June 2021, 06:09:25 PM
And that represents how large a difference in 10mm scale? 🤔

A significant difference actually.  The flags in the video appear to be about twice the size they ought to be.  They should approximately 5 x 5mm in 1:150/10mm scale.

Shecky

Don't worry about the flags. The figures look great to me.

John Cook

08 June 2021, 05:00:54 AM #13 Last Edit: 08 June 2021, 05:05:31 AM by John Cook
Quote from: Shecky on 08 June 2021, 04:11:34 AM
Don't worry about the flags. The figures look great to me.

What is that supposed to mean?  The figures do, indeed, look great, the flags not so much.

John Cook

08 June 2021, 09:47:03 AM #14 Last Edit: 08 June 2021, 09:51:04 AM by John Cook
Hi lekw, this image gives an idea of the relative size of the flag to a man.  I usually make mine half the height of the figure, which looks about right.



lekw

Thanks for all the kind words all. With the flags I just used the ones by pendraken. Maybe I should try some 6mm versions? Anyway for this batch I kind of like the look of the pendraken ones. :D Thanks all, I hope to post some other videos soon.

John Cook

Quote from: lekw on 08 June 2021, 09:04:04 PM
Thanks for all the kind words all. With the flags I just used the ones by pendraken. Maybe I should try some 6mm versions? Anyway for this batch I kind of like the look of the pendraken ones. :D Thanks all, I hope to post some other videos soon.

If you like them, then that's all that matters.

I can't comment on Leon's flags as I have never seen them in the flesh, but almost all the commercial sets I have seen make French Napoleonic flags too large.  It doesn't matter what size figures they are meant for and here is a problem. 

'10mm', '15mm' etc aren't scales but relative sizes.  You can't really scale a human and one manufacturer's '10mm' is not necessarily quite the same at another's.  So, even if the flags were produced at 1:150 they might not look right, necessarily, against a 10mm figure.  I've bought sets of British colours and ACW Union colours in the past that are too small.

My solution is twofold, first download stuff you find on-line and print them yourself.  The problem with this can be quality.  This site, although it hasn't had anything new on it for 20 years, is useful for Napoleonic flags.

http://www.warflag.com/napflags/index.htm

The second solution, which I use more and more is to buy commercial sets, often meant for 28mm figures, you get the quality then, and keep them as 'masters'.  I then scan them, adjust them to suit my figures, and print them myself.

Look forward to your next video.

Shecky

Quote from: John Cook on 09 June 2021, 01:21:50 AM
If you like them, then that's all that matters.

That's exactly what I mean. If you look closely at my 10mm Napoleonics you'll find 1815 flags on 1809 French and 1804 flags on 1812 French figures.  And you'll probably find units with mixed 1809 and 1812 uniforms.  And from three feet away it's hard to notice the historical inaccuracies.

When I first started miniatures wargaming almost 40 years ago I started with Napoleonics. I gave it up after two years because of snide remarks  one gamer made about mixing wrong uniforms, wrong lapels, etc.

I came back to Napoleonics about three years ago because as I've aged I don't care about what the critics say. As you said, if I like it, that's all that matters.

Chad


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Quote from: Shecky on 09 June 2021, 04:29:40 AM
That's exactly what I mean. If you look closely at my 10mm Napoleonics you'll find 1815 flags on 1809 French and 1804 flags on 1812 French figures.  And you'll probably find units with mixed 1809 and 1812 uniforms.  And from three feet away it's hard to notice the historical inaccuracies.

When I first started miniatures wargaming almost 40 years ago I started with Napoleonics. I gave it up after two years because of snide remarks  one gamer made about mixing wrong uniforms, wrong lapels, etc.

I came back to Napoleonics about three years ago because as I've aged I don't care about what the critics say. As you said, if I like it, that's all that matters.

Well, I do take a different view.  It is a bit like that piece of wallpaper that doesn't quite line up properly.  Nobody else will notice, but I will every time I pass it.  It is the same with my figures, I will notice.  It is the reason why I have not done Waterloo with Pendraken's figures.  Their French are from a different period and I will know. 

There are other reasons.  The sculptors have done their best to give me a figure that is as accurate as possible.  When I started wargaming back in the 1960s, resources were few.  Today, the internet notwithstanding, I have shelves of books and other reference material on every period I have an interest in, from the Norman Conquest to the Fall of France.  I have spent a lot of time, money and effort to make my figures as accurate as I can.  So, I have done my best too. 

That is my philosophy. Were it otherwise I think I'd be gaming Sci-Fi or Fantasy.

I've been gaming Napoleonics since 1962 and, fortunately, have not encountered the issues you describe.  I have always found dedicated Napleonic wargamers to be enthusiastic and helpful.  It is certainly true, though, that Napoleonic forums can attract the most unpleasant of individual.  Poor moderation meant that a lot of knowledgeable people avoid them now, and no longer bother posting.  I empathise entirely, and to be honest, I can't be bothered to engage with these morons either.

In the end, you can paint figures as you like but if you post pictures of them here, presumably, you don't just want a pat on the back and seek constructive criticism too.