What IS it with people, that they cannot just accept that there are WRONG things in EVERY war...from pre-history to present day. They happen.
And the WRONG is only a SUBJECTIVE Viewpoint.
Is it RIGHT to impose your own view upon others....just because theirs MAY differ? JUST THINK ABOUT THIS!  Agree to differ,
But DO NOT SUPPRESS!
As people say: 'Times Change'...BUT, the 'TIME THEN', WAS 'THEN'...so no-one should try to eradicate the 'THEN'., because things might be deplored NOW.
Are re-enactors to be vilified for being 'Vikings'...who. OF COUSE, raped and pillaged...famous for it! (Though, now , they were all 'traders'! lol)
ECW 'Roundheads' for the puritan destruction in churches...or 'Kings Army' for opposing an 'elected' parliament?
Or Napoleonic re-enactors: French, for atrocities in Spain...or the Brits..re, Badajoz?
Better just leave the ACW!
And WW2? I find it bizarre that modern Germany MUST eradicate anything remotely 'Nazi'...it was a VERY IMPORTANT part of their history...to be REMEMBERED with regret.!
Of course, WE, the Allies, did NO wrong. EVER? (There is a Big List...BUT we won !).
As for the people dressing up as SS...and thieir kids...SS kit IS better looking...and German children DID wear Hitler Jugend. MY MOTHER 'HATED' having to dress up as a 'LAND GIRL' for a 'fancy dress' in the 40's!  I doubt that it will have any different effect on a kid, now. Will an 'ancient/Viking/ECW. etc. re-enactor's child BECOME a 'Camp Follower'? Hope not!
It is all in the eye of the beholder. So just let people BE.

You make good points. Perhaps, however, one significant difference is that neo-Nazi parties are still with us, whereas the danger of seeing a fleet of longships on the Seine doesn't seem very high today.

Apparently there is a petition in Louisiana to  remove all of their 32 Confederate General statures and replace  each of them with a heroic likeness of Britney Spears.

Quote from: FierceKitty on 19 June 2020, 06:22:44 AM
You make good points. Perhaps, however, one significant difference is that neo-Nazi parties are still with us, whereas the danger of seeing a fleet of longships on the Seine doesn't seem very high today.

I find Nazi reenactors a little bit  odd but wouldn't wish to ban them. I am willing to accept that if I was a member of one of the racial groups the Nazis had it in for I might feel differently.

(That reminds me I need to put in another order for some Panzer iiis)

I meant fringe political groups that still exist and pursue the same ugly agenda under the same flag.

Whatever yor religious beliefs, I can't help feeling the sentiments here might ring a bell.

The devil wore a crucifix.
"The Christians, they are right",
The devil said, "so let us burn
A heretic tonight,
A heretic tonight."

A lily or a swastika,
A shamrock or a star
The devil he can wear them all,
No matter what they are,
No matter what they are.

In red or blue or khaki,
In green or black and tan
The devil is a patriot,
A proper party man,
A proper party man.

Whenever there's a lynching
The devil will be there -
A witch or an apostle,
The devil doesn't care,
The devil doesn't care.

He'll beat a drum in China,
He'll beat it in the west.
He'll beat a drum for anyone.
A holy war is best,
A holy war is best.

The devil isn't down in hell
Or riding in the sky.
The devil's dead (I've heard it said)
They're telling you a lie.
They're telling you a lie.

Sydney Carter "The Devil Wore A Crucifix"

Quote from: Sunray on 18 June 2020, 10:13:40 PM
This is one of the few musicals that doesn't have a mushy feel good factor.  In fact I struggle to find any other in the genre.

The Producers (original version)?

I find the tune to "Springtime for Hitler" a bit of an earworm, and have caught myself whistling it whilst wandering around the supermarket. Nobody's looked at me oddly yet (that I've noticed).

Quote from: Raider4 on 19 June 2020, 09:36:15 AM
The Producers (original version)?

I find the tune to "Springtime for Hitler" a bit of an earworm, and have caught myself whistling it whilst wandering around the supermarket. Nobody's looked at me oddly yet (that I've noticed).

Just mentioned this comment and the missus is now sitting singing Springtime for Hitler.

A more relevant musical is probably Wicked which covers a lot of racial topics in it, but probably not to everyone's taste.

How times change, Boots the chemist has just released a new range called VICHY.  I believe they're launching it in France on Marshall Petains birthday.
Bonus to the marketing and research teams 😬


🐵

 

Nearly as bad as the 75^th anniversary version of Fanta, in 20105 the Coca-Cola company wanted to bring back "the feeling of the Good Old Times" 

Quote from: Sunray on 18 June 2020, 10:13:40 PM
This is one of the few musicals that doesn't have a mushy feel good factor.  In fact I struggle to find any other in the genre.

There is* also Satan's version of The Sound of Music, in which "the nuns hand the von Trapp family over to the Germans. And the sight of stormtroopers singing "Climb Every Mountain" does rather change the tone of the ending . . .".



* according to Old Harry's Game

Quote from: paulr on 19 June 2020, 08:39:05 PM
Nearly as bad as the 75^th anniversary version of Fanta, in 20105 the Coca-Cola company wanted to bring back "the feeling of the Good Old Times" 

Ahh, I had no idea Fanta originated in WW2 Germany. You learn something every day. Thanks.

Quote from: Raider4 on 20 June 2020, 09:29:46 AM
Ahh, I had no idea Fanta originated in WW2 Germany. You learn something every day. Thanks.

It was marketed it as health drink

I thought the invented Fanta because the US wouldn't send 'em the Cola syrup.

Then you have Listerine mouthwash......Originally marketed as a floor cleaner, and an antidote for 'the clap'.

Cheers - Phil