Yep, of the 27980 people treated, only 4907 have either recovered or died. That's 17.54% of those treated. Of that 4907, 2158 people have died. That's 43.98%.

Which suggests that if you are sick enough to need hospitalisation it's a coin toss if you survive or not.

What we don't know is if the 23000-odd people still being treated will largely survive, because the really sick have died already or if an increasingly overwhelmed health service will be able to save fewer patients than before. Or perhaps the roughly 45/55 is an accurate reflection of survival rates to be expected.

And NONE of this tells us about death rates in the general population.

So I suggest we be sensible, take care and look out for each other.

Stats don't give you answers, they just tell you where you have problems

Ah.....Right.....OK....Got it !

Thought that sounded a bit odd !  (The way I read it, anyway. )

Cheers - Phil

Well, quoted stats can be interesting indicators of who's lying (I'm not pointing a finger at anyone here). "Don't stay away from church on Sunday! 98.76% of non-churchgoers in history have died, and most of the rest have an average of under 30 years to go globally. Repent - the facts say it's time to get onto your knees, sinners!" No, I'm not exaggerating. I recall an anti-drugs tract in my schooldays warning us that a monitored 95% of heroin addicts started on marijuana. It paid little attention to the fact that they also started on water, and that fewer than 1% of marijuana smokers moved from reefers to narcotics.

Quote from: FierceKitty on 17 March 2020, 02:04:54 PM
Damnation - main school is closed for a fortnight. Not welcome for those on hourly wages.

No, bugger. And if you're a lowly worker in the cinema, pub, restaurant, sports or retail (except supermarkets) industries you're pretty much shafted economically at the moment.

My wife's an estate agent, and she's started to worry about all the people she's supposed to meet & greet when viewing houses, and also viewing some houses where elderly people live.

Quote from: Steve J on 17 March 2020, 01:13:33 PM
Profiteering or what?

Nope, that's the way capitalism works. Lots of demand vs. low supply --> higher prices.

Everything just seems a tad surreal to me, a the moment......And NO, I haven't taken any mind altering drugs.

Cheers - Phil

Yeah, what happened to all those "Keep Calm & Carry On" mugs/t-shirts/whatever from a few years back? Think we need a bit more of that.

I'll dig out the coffee mug, Von bought me for my birthday a few years ago.

"Keep Calm, You Grumpy Old Git."

Cheers - Phil 

Quote from: Techno on 17 March 2020, 05:37:56 PM
Everything just seems a tad surreal to me, a the moment......And NO, I haven't taken any mind altering drugs.
Cheers - Phil

Let me know when you do Phil ... a) we might not notice the difference and b) I might want you to send me some to keep me insane during this period  

So, just to put the latest statement from the UK Chief Medical Officer into perspective, that c.20,000 people 'might' die from this outbreak of Covid-19 in the UK.

That is approximately 0.03% of the UK population. (c.66.7 million inhabitants) ... I rest my case m'lud. The panic buying is unnecessary.

Mark

Perhaps the Corona virus will reconsider its tactics when confronted by the Bulldog Britain approach.

If we talk very loudly and slowly at it you mean John 

'Pandemic' series on Netflix is quite an interesting & topical watch - its a documentary mini-series. I am about half-way through it.

At risk of repeating myself : do not look at the number of cases, it means nothing.
My sister works in an hospital with declared cases amongst the doctors. She can't be tested.

The only metrics are the people in hospital, and death.

Quote from: barbarian on 17 March 2020, 06:46:11 PM
At risk of repeating myself : do not look at the number of cases, it means nothing.
My sister works in an hospital with declared cases amongst the doctors. She can't be tested.

The only metrics are the people in hospital, and death.

Barbarian, I have to ask: Do you work as a morale officer? You seem to determined to scare everyone.

Belgium just joined in (soft) lockdown, only stores for food and medicine can stay open, and only essential travel (for work for example) can be made. I call it soft lockdown because you can still go on a stroll for example, provided it's alone or with someone you live with.

We are at 'only' at approximately 1200 confirmed cases and 10 deaths at the moment. (wich is low compared to other countries)

Let's hope we are in a better state on april 5!

Good Luck everyone! Real wargamers are a dying breed, so make that stupid virus work hard to get to us!