What about bandages and plasters, Phil?

I urge you to have a read :

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-11/italy-doctors-coronavirus-covid-19-quarantine-milan-health/

Two doctors from Milan leaving messages on Whatsapp for their colleagues in Rome.

English version in the article.

They don't treat people over 60 in these hospitals, letting them die, to have ventilators for the people born in the 70's (so 40 to 50 years old).

Pull your kids out of schools if you have some.

If you are a grand parent, do not help your children to attend for your grand-child.

See your grand children over video calls.

Please be safe.

It is only a matter of time before demand outstrips availability of breathing equipment in hospitals. I don't know what the answer is to that, I doubt there are any good options, just some are better than others. 

I think wargamers are probably a safe community with the concept of self-isolating not really being a problem ;-)

Quote from: Dave Fielder on 13 March 2020, 10:19:54 AM
I think wargamers are probably a safe community with the concept of self-isolating not really being a problem ;-)

Absolutely; I only play against people that I've won from in the past so that kinda limits my social circle. Plus if the ones that I did win from get infected there's not much lost really...

Cheers,
Rob

Quote from: barbarian on 13 March 2020, 09:14:42 AM
I urge you to have a read :

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-11/italy-doctors-coronavirus-covid-19-quarantine-milan-health/

Two doctors from Milan leaving messages on Whatsapp for their colleagues in Rome.

English version in the article.

They don't treat people over 60 in these hospitals, letting them die, to have ventilators for the people born in the 70's (so 40 to 50 years old).

Pull your kids out of schools if you have some.

You mustn't believe everything in the media. they are generally wretched liars, and itv news is notoriously unreliable and sensationalist. Plus it seems to be an odd conversation. It's not for either parties benefit - there's no useful exchange of information that would benefit either.

It's as if it were made by two people for the sake of the recording. If that's the case then these people should be hunted down and thrashed for spreading panic and fear: two of the worst human attributes imaginable to my mind.

As for "Pull your kids out of schools if you have some." - well yes, we have lost of schools ( ) but children are also the most robust and resistant to the extremes of covid-19, plus my lad is away at school - if I pulled him out he'd most likely be at more risk of catching something that probably wont really affect him anyway. So I regard that as a bit of an over-reaction.

I'm flying back to the UK tonight from Michigan (yesterday a state of emergency was declared here). I just left a Walmart where I saw a person laden down with toilet rolls. I so wanted to tell them it affects your respiratory system not your arse!

Quote from: Westmarcher on 13 March 2020, 09:00:05 AM
What about bandages and plasters, Phil?

That's a thought, Davy.

Sorry...I've not been keeping up with posts properly since yesterday evening....I'm sure I've missed posts that I would normally reply to.
My 'Narnia' was being a right barsteward, and hurting like you know what.

Better now.....Just cream crackered.

Cheers - Phil.

Quote from: Dr Dave on 13 March 2020, 12:17:33 PM
I so wanted to tell them it affects your respiratory system not your arse!

People aren't worried about their digestive systems, they're worried about being stuck in their houses for days/ weeks/ months.

I tend to be fairly fatalistic about these things but as a 66 year old with a heart condition I felt it prudent to buy an extra bag of pasta, rice and lentils and a second pack of loo rolls when I last did a big shop.

I'm not having to self isolate but I am being advised to avoid human contact wherever possible. One or two fewer visits to the supermarket may, or may not, make a difference.

Tescos here was denuded of pasta barring some sad loooking artisanal wholewheat gnocchi.

So I went over the road to Marks & Sparks which was absolutely fine, loo roll and soap etc as normal.

Also made my own hand sanitizer, 70% surgical spirit, 30% aloe Vera gel. I may have erred on the side of booze. It's a bit thin (good for getting everywhere I guess) and now I want a whisky

On a more serious note beds are a problem - there's very little slack in the NHS as it's been pared to the bone. There's only a couple of dozen acute breathing disaster beds in the whole country. Whilst most people who get Corona virus will likely just be miserable, a significantly larger number will need inpatient care. A significant number of them will need those specialist acute respiratory beds. Likely far more than a couple of dozen

That's very unlikely to be any given person, but someone will. Given how bad we are as a species at judging individual risk versus general populace risk I'm unsurprised at people panicking mildly to hugely!

These messages are audio messages that you leave on Whatsapp.
They are not talking to each other, they are leaving a message for the doctors in Rome.

They could be voice actors. They could be. I believe what they say, the tone and the words seem appropriate for their fonction.

Everybody does what they feel is best for their family.

I tell you France will go in full lock down soon.

Cheers.

How's the hysteria going?

Quote from: Ben Waterhouse on 13 March 2020, 04:49:48 PM
How's the hysteria going?

I would imagine it depends whether you have underlaying health problems or someone close to you does or whether you don't!

Most governments and the stock market seem to think this is a thing and that it is worth worrying about.

Our Prime minister told the Nation yesterday that we can expect to lose loved ones. Raised anxiety should be expected in its many manifestations - unchartered waters for many.

in our family we have two pregnant women and one is problematic, 1 starting a cancer treatment, 1 who's job is now on the line and two with elderly parents, both with health issues, but only in their mid 70's, so concerns are real enough.

Well here in Belgium bars,restaurants and clubs are closing at midnight. Today was last day of school, and non-food shops will close in the weekend.

Like true idiiots, people are organizing pre lockdown parties to empty the kegs before closing. Just pointlesss  to lock down when you get everywhone toghtere first 

Quote from: petercooman on 13 March 2020, 07:14:56 PM
Well here in Belgium bars,restaurants and clubs are closing at midnight. Today was last day of school, and non-food shops will close in the weekend.

Like true idiiots, people are organizing pre lockdown parties to empty the kegs before closing. Just pointlesss  to lock down when you get everywhone toghtere first 

When Belgium closes bars, you know the situation is serious.

Quote from: Ben Waterhouse on 13 March 2020, 04:49:48 PM
How's the hysteria going?

Oh God. Have I got that as well?