A tad expensive maybe....try very cheap gin !

Quote from: Norm on 07 March 2020, 08:29:59 AM
I was in my local Tesco at 6.30 am this morning (up since 4 am with back pain) - to get some Paracetamol ....... but they have sold out!!!!

When I did the Thursday shop.....That was one thing I noticed was 'out of stock'...(Well the tablets were...But not the capsules.)

If anyone wants any rice or pasta type food.....The garage in the local village has still got some ! 

For goodness sake. With a bit of luck, all those who have had their 'panic buy' will have finished by now.....And we know 99% of those packets will get left in the cupboard until they get thrown away.....10 years from now.

Quote from: FierceKitty on 07 March 2020, 08:48:48 AM
Curiously enough, the Thais - not the most provident people - are being pretty good about public hand sanitisers. But I can't buy the alcohol I normally use for flocking...I wonder if Cointreau would do?

Alledgedly...Some Russians are using cheap vodka to make DIY sanitisers. 

Cheers - Phil

Still in denial for some here.
From a logical stand point : how this will be any different than what happened in China ?
Do you think Chinese are idiots and took a 17,5 % tank in their exportations because they felt like it ?
Do you think they quarantined 60 million people for giggles and fun ?
" But chinese men smoke, but chinese people have bad lungs due to pollution...Italians are old..."
Same causes will have same consequences.
In the next few days Frande will enter in " phase 3 " (media and politicians are preparing the general public to the idea) as some areas are already in " phase 2 reinforced " : this will mean closed schools, no public transportation... I let you imagine the economical consequences.
I am telling you this is not a drill, this is serious.
Frankly, buying a bag of 10 kilos of rice, some dry beans or lentils, food for your pets and your prescribed medecine is not a bad idea and not panic buying.
Best case scenario, this die down in summer and you have reserves of rice and beans...
I repeat that we need to limit the spread or at least slow down the infection : we can't afford to fill all the ICU at the same time.
As for myself, I am healthy, under 40, my son under 10, I am not thinking this is the end of the world, but I have parents and I think this virus will have effects on our society by stressing and challenging our already challenged NHS.

I expect most people don't think they're panic buying (apart from the morons who fill 2 shopping trolleys full with toilet rolls/bottled water/sanitizer/whatever).

They think they're just being 'prudent' by just getting an extra pack of toilet rolls/baked beans/cat food/whatever.

But then, everyone starts being 'prudent', and suddenly the shelves are being emptied faster than normal, and then idiots start buying everything under the sun 'just in case'.

Quote from: barbarian on 07 March 2020, 09:51:28 AM
Still in denial for some here.

No..Sorry, Yann...I don't think that's remotely true, at all.

Is this outbreak serious ?....Yes...Of course it is....But having a panic doesn't help at all.

Quote from: Raider4 on 07 March 2020, 11:05:59 AM
But then, everyone starts being 'prudent', and suddenly the shelves are being emptied faster than normal, and then idiots start buying everything under the sun 'just in case'.

Idiots ?....Yep.

Fair enough to have a limited stock of essentials........10 kilos of rice ?......Gimme strength.....90%+ of that will end up in landfill.

Mankind managed to survive the devastating 'Spanish flu', after the first World War....I'm sure we can do the same (or far better) now.

Cheers - Phil

Quote from: Norm on 07 March 2020, 08:29:59 AM

How can you sell out of something that is so abundant that it only costs 25p.

We are being ripped off with the cost of most drugs

I was involved with a charity taking medicines to Roumainia in 2001. We bought amoxicillin , Parcetamol and Asprin  in tubs of 1000 tablets

Amoxcillin £5.50 per thousand

Paracetamol £165 per thousand

Aspirin £1.25 per thousand

They are making a fortune out of us- unfortunately you can only buy them as we did if you are a registered charity.

Just been to the local ASDA, and was in Lidel yesterday. Both seemed to have a full stock of most things. Only sparse shelf was the chilled near date reduced one.

IanS

Was reading there that some people have taken to stealing hand sanitiser from hospitals, either topping up their own bottles from it or even ripping the dispensers off the walls. I can understand some people wanting to take sensible precautions, especially is they're in vulnerable health, but that sort of behaviour is taking things too far. That's just selfish and puts the people most vulnerable to it at increased risk. Disgusting. Thankfully seems to be fairly isolated cases.

No doubt we'll see more such madness for a bit yet until this mass panic dies down and people start realising that that mountsin of toilet paper blocking up their hallway is going to take a year to knock down to size and for what...

A stupid driver pranged into a family member's car in SA some twenty years ago, killing two passengers. After the cops had arrived (on an inter-city highway), and all the reporting had been done, the survivors realised he'd also stolen one of their suitcases before leaving.

 

That was nice of him.

I misheard the news at 3 this morning. (Got woken up by the wind and rain.)

I "heard" sixty million folk in Italy were now under 'quarantine lock-down'. Stroll on....That must be approaching the whole population, I thought. (Though at that stage I was guessing the size population in Italy....I've looked it up now, and it IS just over 60 million.)

Second listen.....Sixteen million are 'quarantined'......That's still an awful lot of folk.

I wonder where Yann is, in relation to all this....Good luck, that man !!

Cheers - Phil

Italy has had more deaths than the UK has had reported cases, so not surprising they're doing things like this.

I am in Marseille (France).

I have friends in Milan.

My son is around Rome.

The news of the lock-down leaked yesterday before the effective lock-down.

People fleeing Milano with the last train People wanting to be with their families...this is how it spreads.

The Italian Health minister stated that they need 200 new beds per day, don't have them. He said it is spreading quicker than expected, quicker than the Chinese data led to believe.

I repeat : I don't fear dying from the virus, I fear having a car crash and needing a bed in ICU.

La Società italiana anestesisti e rianimatori published a document stating their recommandations to the ER departments around Italy : triage using a lmit of age and "best survival hope ". I'll let you appreciate it.

I am really saying to you : this will have social consequences. I expect some turmoils in the streets.

Quote from: barbarian on 08 March 2020, 10:27:52 AM
I am really saying to you : this will have social consequences. I expect some turmoils in the streets.

Sadly...That may end up being true .....But I sincerely hope not....Fingers crossed.

Cheers - Phil

Orcs, most of the cost of anything is putting it on the shelf, not the cost of the goods.

27 Jails with riots in Italy (outside the red zone) as they blocked the family visits (therefore access to drugs)
20 prisoners still evading capture around Foggia.

Please have a look at Italy and France and take necessary precautions for yourself and your elders.

I'll stop commenting here, it makes me anxious, I'll paint and post some Pendraken minis, surely better.