Quote from: Techno on 31 July 2019, 11:04:30 AM
In what way ?

The shape of horses' eyes, from outward appearances, are as different as the outward variations in human eyes.

I've got six of the b*ggers 'in the fields.....and they're all different. There's only one (a little Shetland X) who has what I'd class as a really 'round eye'.)

Cheers - Puzzled of Wales.

We have strongly defined almonds with a lot of white; surely your gee-gees don't show the pale bit unless they're terrified?

Common misconceptions about WWII are that battles were fought by homogenous units armed with standardized equipment, and that most of it the fighting was done by infantry with artillery support, with tanks being a relative rarity.

The truth (as forum dwellers will know) is of course that a typical unit would really comprise one armoured car, two or three tanks all of different types, a platoon of infantry of which one section would be from an elite formation, a field gun and a flamethrower. Battles between these typical units are best represented in 28mm on tables small enough to ensure the field gun has targets in range.

Aren't you forgetting the off-table naval support of a destroyer, four battleships, and two carriers?

Quote from: FierceKitty on 31 July 2019, 11:32:14 AM
We have strongly defined almonds with a lot of white; surely your gee-gees don't show the pale bit unless they're terrified?

Absolutely right, Alexander !! 

For us.....Our beasts never show the whites of their eyes/roll their eyes..... unless a vet......Or someone who, in their tiny little minds, could be a vet, approaches, sticks on a head collar and  'holds the head down.'

(Then, the poop can hit the fan !)

Ah.....Right..Sorry..... do you mean that folk try and give white dots either side of the pupil ?
In which case, I totally concur !!...That's completely wrong.

(No-one can do that on one of the 'true scale' gee-gees......can they ?).....They're far too small....Surely ?  (And I'll call you Shirley, if I want.)

The majority of horses eyes would 'look' brown/dark brown....Most of the horses I've met/owned have had a darkish brown eye.....(If we ignore the pupil at this scale.)

There are a couple I've 'met' that have had a pale blue/gray iris.....and one with a 'red eye'.

Cheers - Phil

Quote from: Techno on 31 July 2019, 12:16:00 PM


(And I'll call you Shirley, if I want.)

Cheers - Phil

OK, just not while my wife's listening, please.

Quote from: ianrs54 on 31 July 2019, 10:43:06 AM
Orcs of course can be any colour you want.

Orcs in the Warhammer world are green, those in other imaginary universes may be other colours.

And yes, it's odd about the police thing (although they may be a very, very dark navy?)

Oh my god! This is OCD paradise! 

Obsessive? Compulsive? Disorder?

Embrace it. This sums up this forum and its members. 

Age of sail, that nice big flag flying off the back of the ship... the wind is blowing towards the sails, otherwise you aint going anywhere.

Quote from: Genom on 31 July 2019, 05:40:51 PM
Age of sail, that nice big flag flying off the back of the ship... the wind is blowing towards the sails, otherwise you aint going anywhere.

AND the pennant on the mainmast!

Quote from: FierceKitty on 31 July 2019, 07:47:33 AM
Green orcs, winged balrogs

Need I say more?

The issue of 'green orcs' is undoubted, but the Balrog's wings are debatable.
Even Tolkien himself is undecided on Balrogs, as in The Lord of the Rings he states, as at the Bridge of Khazad-dûm,  that it "drew itself to a great height, and its wings spread from wall to wall". However, whether these are true wings or just wings of shadows is not clear either. "His enemy halted again, facing him, and the shadow about it reached out like two vast wings".

Do Balrog's fly? There appears no evidence that they do, but they do ride upon the backs of dragons (from The Simaraillion and the Fall of Gondolin).

PS: I like my Balrogs huge and with shadowy wings - but equally they could be twice the size of a man, with no wings, mail clad and fighting with axes and maces with fiery red eyes.
Each to their own  

In Tolkien's world Orcs and Goblins are Elves perverted and tortured by Morgoth - so they should have light skins and fair hair but filthy with dirt.
In many ways the Orcs and Trolls in the LotR films are closer to what Tolkien envisaged than the green-skinned GW versions.

But Goblins are decribed as having a khaki colour (greeny brown) skin in Elizabethan poems

Medieval Colours

It drives me nuts when I see 'medieval' troops in Purples, Black or worse Yellow clothing. Especially lower status troops like Peasants.

Unless it is a specific livery colour - so Murrey (a Red/blue version of purple) as in the Murrey & Azure of a Yorkist (Edward IV) livery coat  - or an Azure & Or (blue and yellow) livery (of Viscount Lovell) for example, these were very rare and expensive colours.
NB: Murrey is not actually a heraldic colour but a 'Stain' (as are Tawney - an orange-brown and Sanguine - deeper dark bloody red).

Black was also expensive, as the means of making Black, with oak-galls and iron-filing actually caused the woolen cloth to slowly disintegrate - hence why black clothing was expensive - it didn't last long!

Yellow is even worse because Yellow hoods were the badge of a Prostitute (as were stripey hoods) or worn as a symbol that the wearer was a Jew (& hence ineligible for military service - in western Europe anyway).

Also - livery colours have a pretty standard format - they should be worn with the 'darker' colour on the left (Sinister) when facing the wearer - so in the case of a Gules (red) and Argent (white) livey - the Red half of the livery should be shown on the left of the body when facing forwards. In the case of the Yorkist Murrey and Azure livery, Azure (as the colour, not the 'stain')  should appear on the left out of the two darker tones.
It was possible to have a livery coat so that the colours were reversed on the back to the front and in the case of triple coloured liveries (such as that of the Earls of Northumberland - the Percy's in the early C16th at Flodden for example) - Tawney, Russet (a red-brown) and Yellow - the darker colour (in this case Russet - which was actually another 'stain') was worn on the left, with Yellow (Or) in the middle.

Anyway ... I digress ... most 'medieval' troops pre the late C15th were pretty drab - as even a darker blue or green or red was expensive to produce.
In the later half of the C15th the Swiss start to buck this trend as each canton  supplied its fighting men with livery cloth to make their own clothing - but the smaller poorer cantos would still have had a lot of very drab troops in them, at least until they had successfully destroyed and looted the Burgundian baggage trains after Granson.

Yellow was fairly common due to natural dyes like onion skins, and you do get some areas where blues are more common due to natural dyes being available. (Pitstone Plums)

It's not its ease of production that is the issue Lemmey - it's the associations.
A bit like a bloke wearing a pink shirt in the 1960s - acceptable now maybe - but back then you would probably have been the target of physical abuse in a pub.

Tawney was acceptable - so a browny orange but pure yellow (Or) is a heraldic metal - it is fine on shields and as part of a livery coat or coat of arms, but wearing a yellow hood or yellow hose (trousers) would have ended you up in court with a fine (Sumptuary laws were really strict and often pretty tightly enforced) at worst but at best your mate would take the p*ss out of you something rotten.

I agree Blues can be easily made but it's how they are made 'fast' that is the issue as well - onion skin yellow is a really difficult colour to make fast.
Hence why Irish and Scottish highlanders used saffron to dye their skirts yellow, but even that slowly fades, especially if they have to be washed with soap made from ash and tallow, bashed clean on a washing stone.

British infantry
Regt colour on the left
Kings colour on the right

ALWAYS!

Understanding how cloths are made/worn (& that can include armour) really helps to understand how to paint them.
This is particularly true for C16th/early C17th clothing - especially for Landsknechts & Swiss.

If you think that a slashed jacket originally had a white shirt pulled through the slashing, from the inside, you can easily get the idea of what to paint.
So painting a red slashed jacket with one sleeve having blue slashing and the other green, is possible but slightly implausible.
Yes, a coloured shirt might have been worn (instead of white - although a white undershirt was standard male wear at that time) and pulled through the slashing but it was only later on when cloths were purposely made to include slashing (as a fashion statement) that a coloured lining for the jacket or hose might get pulled through the slashing, instead of the white undershirt.

Hose that were slashed at the knee, were often done so to increase their flexibility. So they might often just show natural skin through the slashing, or maybe the colour of the socks that showed below the knee down into the shoe.

If you think ... inside out ... as you paint, it helps get things to look more historically correct.

Quote from: Dr Dave on 31 July 2019, 07:05:28 PM
British infantry
Regt colour on the left
Kings colour on the right

ALWAYS!

Unless it's the Victorian period, when it's the Queens colour.

Quote from: mad lemmey on 31 July 2019, 07:27:54 PM
Unless it's the Victorian period, when it's the Queens colour.

And during the reign of William and Mary?

Toss a coin?