Clarification request ref the Cover Table on p13 -

(1) Cover for all Vehicles in BAU when assaulting Infantry or Infantry Support Weapons:

Does this refer to 'Vehicles - VEH' type ..as per p169? If so which VEH types are allowed to Close Assault?
OR
Is this meant to refer to all vehicles perhaps (AFVs, ACs,HTRs,VEHs,WAGs). But if so ...(i) Dont believe VEHs and WAGs can CA; (ii) AFVs can only assualt in BAU if carrying infantry/engineers; (iii) HTRs and ACs...can assault with new RAW...but were excluded under BKCII

This is one of the examples where new rules wording (Close Assault restrictions p40 in this instance) have not been updated from BKCII to the new BKCIV vocabulary

(2) Partial cover on hills? In BKCII - this was clarified as only applying to units on hill crests....Cover Table not updated here - but assume works the same?

Clarification much appreciated.
AJ

I was a bit confused by that too, especially as you say on P40 - AFVs can only assault units in the open UNLESS carrying Infantry or Engineers - so Tank Riders or Halftracks. I noticed that bicycles have disappeared as a transport opption too, not sure how some of my Commandos are going to get a bout on D Day!

Again - good call AJ - the intention is not to allow Wagons and Trucks etc to assault - so we do need to revise the wording. Only AFVs - Tanks and half-tracks/carriers - should be able to assault - that was the intention.

Bicycles are a clear omission from Transports - it's an interesting one bearing in mind the other thread about Cavalry.
Should a Cavalry mount (horse) be a transport or a separate unit type - same with troops on bicycles?
It all gets a bit complex ... a bit like skis ... hmmm.

Bicycles I think are transports, but can be thrown down, so i don't necessarily feel they should have to deploy or have bicycle holders etc etc, but I think cavalry should have a different category - didnt the Poles charge German Units, so CA without dismounting??

..So still confused (sorry about that)

I think perhaps easier to focus on intention rather than anything else at first -

On (1) ...Cover modifier for some units Close Assaulting (CA) in BAU.
Per the CA rules on p40/41 - This would only seem to impact if, during the CA, the Assaulting unit is attacked with Opportunity Fire or in the CA itself.

(a) Is the intention that any modifier benefits both the unit Assaulting unit and any Supporting units? Clarification needed

(b) Assaulting unit cover when being fired upon by enemy Opportunity Fire : No rule/ reason to think Assaulting or Supporting unit would not automatically get cover of terrain they were moving within (like normal movement). Clarification needed.

(c) Assaulting unit cover when being attacked within CA Resolution (p41) : RAW state "Assaulting units always count as being in the open during an assault move even if they move through cover....when fighting a successive round of combat, all units count as being in the open.." (Attacker and Defender). This is clearly contrary to the application of an assaulting modifier. Is it the intention there should be one at all?

(d) If yes to a modifier - who is it for? Sounds like a benefit is wanted for certain vehicles that can CA in a BAU if they are attacking INF (LI, SI, CAV). Not sure why such a benefit would be for vehicles and not other units ...but there you are. If yes to having a modifier - need to confirm exactly which vehicles get the benefit and ignore the CA Resolution first round of fighting cover rule. Rule writers intention / justification needed.

Personally I am ignoring this new cover rule for now as seems to make little sense as is.

On (2) Partial cover on hills? In BKCII - this was clarified as only applying to units on hill crests....Cover Table not updated here - but assume works the same?

Thanks again
Adam

"didnt the Poles charge German Units, so CA without dismounting?? "

Several armies had cavalry that charged mounted during WW2 - Polish and Italians that I know of from the top of my head, and all nations' cavalry were trained as such, so should be allowed in any rules set.

Mark

The charge of the Savoia Cavalleria at Izbushensky that took place on August 24, 1942, is often cited as one of the last cavalry charges ever.

Armed with sabres, pistols and grenades CA would be their only option for attack.

I wonder if Trumpeter Carenzi, who, pistol in one hand and trumpet in the other, accidentally shot his own horse in the head during the charge, ever lived that down

Perhaps a blunder 

....and back to the Cover Table queries ....

I'll work up an example Adam ... it might be simpler to explain.

The basic rules principles are (broadly):

a). an attacker is counted as being in the open when assaulting in close terrain (a BUA)
b). the defender is counted in cover in the initial assault
c). if a subsequent round(s) of combat are fought both sides are considered to be in the open
d). Any vehicle (AFV or other) is considered to be at a disadvantage assaulting infantry in a BUA
e). the only other vehicle I could think of that might get involved in an assault other than a tank, tankette, carrier or half-track was actually a Tachanka (but no-doubt somebody will come up with something else).
f). all hits in an assault fall on the attacker or defender - not their support units - but all support units can be effected by the outcome of the assault
e). supporting units can only support one assault in a turn (but it doesn't have to be the initial assault)

I'll recheck the reasoning behind the table on P41. It might have something to do with Initiative fire and Opportunity fire ... but I'll check
Thanks
Mark

Errrr......I believe that per Opportunity Fire in Close Assault (clarified as should read Response Fire) ...
'..any units within 10cm of a unit under assault, may open fire at assaulting and Supporting units


Adam

Yes it should ... that was picked up in a very early thread post launch ... thank you

Thanks Mark

Clarification much appreciated!

No problem ... your engagement is genuinely much appreciated

Thanks
Mark