Understood. I got confused since the gunners called all 25pdr regts "field".

No radar? Shame... you could go into frequency and resolution - actually, let's not.   

There was no counter mortar radar as such, but they did experiment with it using radars from LAA rgts.

One gun that does need adding is the Japanese 70mm Infantry gun. The Japanese are a problem anyway. There are two distinct types of division, Type A - operating in China with tankettes and medium artillery, and the ones in S.E Asia Type B, which dont have the tankettes or medium guns. (OK some did). Then you have the island garrisons, which are all different.

IanS

The Counter-mortar Troops in British infantry divisions were standard on TOE by late 1944 in NW Europe. They were essential in counter-attacking mortars and Nebelwerfers. They were 4-Pen Recorder units stationed 800m behind the front lines, with an array of 4 microphone cables laid out in an arc in front of the front lines - ie, they were only suited for static situations. The microphones recorded seismic data from Nebelwerfer and mortar fire. The men observing the 4-Pen Rercorders had direct radio links to all teh divisional OPs and to Bttn HQs that also reported such fire - the troop then coordinated counter-battery fire by triangulating all these reports. By 1945 most such Troops were so experienced they could locate enemy positions within minutes.

The radars were something else again.

So British & Commonwealth 25pdr batteries in infantry divisions in NW Europe can do counter-battery fire against mortars and rocket launchers any time they are available.

Mark

many thanks Ian/Mark

We can put some notes into the Japanese list Ian - but TBF I have tried to avoid being to specific about what can fight where, unless it generates a really different list.
A separate Japanese Manchuria list PDF is a possibility as of course armoured trains made a big play in Manchuria as well.
I am also considering the following additional PDF lists:

ANZAC
Early War Lithuanian
French North African
South African in East Africa (Ethiopia and Sudan)
British Home Guard
Polish Warsaw Uprising

Other thoughts and suggestions gratefully received?

Cheers
Mark

With the French North African list, please just make sure it covers Operation Exporter in Syria and the invasion on Madagascar too.  (If it isn't already)  I suspect that the list won't actually change as a result of including those theatres, but it would be a shame if they were missed.

If you do a PDF for Syria don't forget to include the British Cavalry, last charge was in 41, by the Cheshire Yeomanry.

On Counter battery - sound and flash ranging was standard during WWII (and WWI). However it was restricted to specific guns, most weapons could not fire it. 25pdr and M101 105's (I know that is the modern designation) would be very unlikely to fire it. The British would have used 4.5" Guns, later 5.5" howitzers, or larger, US 155mm Long Toms or 4.5" (although rare) Germans used the 10.5 cm gun on same carriage as the sFH18. Soviets would probably have assigned their 122mm and 152mm guns (not howitzers).

AS you remember I assigned specific batteries to CB in our large CWC games.

If you think the Japanese are bad then the Chinese - impossible. There are 3 sides, Mao, Nationalists, and the Japanese. List you have is good for nationalist, Mao is entirely Guerrilla.

Still going through the lists.

IanS 

Will certainly look at anything specific on French in Africa (maybe a better name) and include Operation Exporter in Syria and the invasion on Madagascar too.

All list updates appreciated Ian. If there are a lot of changes to a list or additions to specific theatre we might need to create separate lists.

Cheers

Mark - AMR and AMC in the French lists were recce vehicles. Also as an option you could add ATR's, they got 500 Boys from us, we got 500 25mm ATG.

IanS

Quote from: Big Insect on 28 April 2019, 09:51:57 AM
Will certainly look at anything specific on French in Africa (maybe a better name)

Assuming Ian et al meant the pro-German French how about "Vichy French"?

A Vichy French list sounds good - yes

Collaborators?

(As per Petain's instructions)

The German eastern front list, the 88 can fire AA (3/100)

This AA ability needs to be removed.

Agreed - thank you an editing oversight

Quote from: Dr Dave on 29 April 2019, 07:37:44 PM
The German eastern front list, the 88 can fire AA (3/100)

My fault that one, it had come up on the proofreader feedback and I must have missed it on my run through.

1940 french again - no cavalry or M/Cycle in the Recce.

I may have brought this up before, but the orientation of the ground attack template is not very clear.  It just says: with the long side in the direction of the attack.  How is the direction of the attack determined? Or is is saying the long side runs across or parallel to the long table sides? Assuming a 6 by 4 foot board.

Doesn't having the long side along the direction of attack imply that you need to plot the flight path, or are they parallel to a table edge as Prophaniti suggests?

Isn't the 30 x 10 GA template a straffing zone, so the middle of the template aligns with the attack point and align with the attack direction the aircraft are coming in at from your base line??

My intention here was (as Cross698 states) that the center of the template is on the 'target' unit but the orientation is up to the player flying the plane in.

As all AA fire is directed on the point of attack, the direction the plane flies on from or off to is unimportant/irrelevant.
AA fire on a plane as it comes on-table (& off-table) is covered within the Air Superiority rules - the attacks are combined into a single attack at the outset of the Airstrike (for simplicity)

The idea that the template must be aligned to the direction of the battle was discussed in play-testing, but that seemed odd to me.

I hope that makes sense?

Mark

Recce
[edit] Posted on 01 May 2019 at 07:54:50 GMT
This rule is inherent across the rules sets and has been copy pasted  to bkc4.
It states the score required to communicate will be 1 per full 10cm ie 1 upto 10cm, 2 up to 20 etc. Further on it states 1 is always a fail.
This doesn't make sence as you need a minimum or 2 for any distance up to 20cm.
Can anyone shed light on this. In the original concept from bkc1 days, if memory serves anything up to 10 cm was automatic.
Errata/ faq required.