1860s Europe in 3mm - best rules ?

Started by Sunray, 16 April 2019, 04:36:03 PM

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jambo1

Very nice, really gives the idea of a big battle, I think the 3mm figures are better than the 2mm stuff from IM.  Having seen both close up the detail on 08 figures is really good on such a small thing, Irregulars are a bit more abstract.  Interesting thread!! :)

Smoking gun

Quote from: Ithoriel on 16 April 2019, 06:52:37 PM
I presume Oddzial Osmy, though I'm more used to seeing them abbreviated as O8.

Available from Magister Militum here:

https://www.magistermilitum.com/manufacturer/oddzial-osmy-3mm-15mm-from-poland.html?cat%5B0%5D=62397

Thank you, I wouldn't have recognised the correct abbreviation anyway. I was vaguely aware of them from a few years ago.

Martin
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mmcv

Quote from: jambo1 on 18 April 2019, 04:56:45 PM
Very nice, really gives the idea of a big battle, I think the 3mm figures are better than the 2mm stuff from IM.  Having seen both close up the detail on 08 figures is really good on such a small thing, Irregulars are a bit more abstract.  Interesting thread!! :)

Yeah I got a few sample 2mm from IM a while back and it was just a bit too abstract. The 3mm look very detailed by comparison.

Sunray

Quote from: mmcv on 18 April 2019, 05:18:28 PM
Yeah I got a few sample 2mm from IM a while back and it was just a bit too abstract. The 3mm look very detailed by comparison.

There is 2mm kit from Ian's IM range that can be used - the bigger tents, trees and the trench for example.
Applause to Leman for the eye candy.  Inspiring stuff.

Leman

I am currently working on a mix of IM and Brigade Models kit for the battle of Corinth 1862, specifically IM's railway, ACW station, ACW/Western train and rails, plus some Brigade Models ACW and factory buildings, to model Corinth and the railway running through it. Will post when complete together with some of the Peter Pig 3mm troops so you can see how it all fits together.
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Sunray

Quote from: Leman on 19 April 2019, 08:17:22 AM
I am currently working on a mix of IM and Brigade Models kit for the battle of Corinth 1862, specifically IM's railway, ACW station, ACW/Western train and rails, plus some Brigade Models ACW and factory buildings, to model Corinth and the railway running through it. Will post when complete together with some of the Peter Pig 3mm troops so you can see how it all fits together.

Very interesting project.  Martin Goddard's  PP figures are a bit more chunky than O8 sculpts, and the close order troops are joined at the hip.   but paint up well.  I have just received PP pack 61 "Small Fort" - the artillery included in the pack.  These - although obviously ACW era - could be painted up to look like heavy Krupp breech loaders

Sunray

I have just acquired a small ornament type model of Schloss Neuschwanstein - a quick check with tried and tested Ithoreal method (6mm and 3mm figures) reveal that the windows and doors are not far off 1/600 scale.  The steps of the castle are exaggerated in size.

It would work well with 1860 era Germanic wars as an objective.  A centre piece for my Ruritanian v Prussia epic.  :)

Leman

The small fort will be making an appearance as part of the Corinth defensive works.
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Sunray

Quote from: Leman on 20 April 2019, 11:32:37 AM
The small fort will be making an appearance as part of the Corinth defensive works.

Would the Irregular 2mm trench (IKM3) work as part of these defences  ?  Ian exaggerated the detail so its bigger than true 2mm.

Accounts from the Franco Prussian war relate that earthen works were more durable than stone/cement forts as they could be easily repaired.

Leman

Not familiar with the 2mm trenches. Tend to use homemade earthworks for the ACW as shown on the Altar of Freedom website, only a little smaller to fit with the 3mm figures.
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toxicpixie

This sounds like a cracking set of projects!

Much as I love Irregulars blocks (and have a veritable shed load), I kind of wish I'd gone 3mm with PP and 08. But then, I'd probably still have them in bare lead and be vacillating over painting them. The 2mm blocks can be banged out toot sweet and on table in an hour...

I can second BBB (which would be my go to for any vaguely large battle), but "Trapped like a Fox" has lived in my loft for several years - I really want to play it as the campaign looks ace, but never quite managed to get enough people interested for long enough.
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Leman

It's certainly an unusual game as all the players are Austrians playing against Prussia. Beautiful presentation, but I'm only ever likely to use the tabletop battle section.
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toxicpixie

Yes, I loved the set up and campaign idea - I might try and convince club mates they want to play... thing is I was tempted to try and bodge it to use BBB for the actual games, but then they cover more area and bigger formations, and I dunno how much work I'd have to do to get adjoining sectors involved or not, or if I could just "bath tub" it. So I got excited, confused, then shelved it :D

Might be time to dust it off and suggest it later in the year, but we're looking like it'll be an AVBCW mini-campaign over summer using Peter Pigs old AK-47 rules so it might be a while...
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Leman

I have bath-tubbed those games by using a mat divided up into 8" rather than 10" squares, units with a slightly smaller footprint and a reduced inches (18mm to the inch) rulers.
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toxicpixie

And now I feel a trip to the loft coming on at lunch to see if I can dig Trapped out the mess :D

Might suggest a warm up by finishing the Crimea first, we've still got the Chernya to play through at the club...
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