Hi Leon,

Just paid! Sorry for delay.

Scolty

Hi WeeWars,

Will pop by your stand on Saturday. Was helping my mate out on his stand at 'Skelp', but have got time off for good behaviour on Saturday so will have time for a good look around.

I always enjoy 'Kirrie' show - nice atmosphere - just a shame Pendraken aren't there!

Scolty

Leon

Hopefull you've now got my form back - curse of the junk mail folder!

Edward

Quote from: kustenjaeger on 08 November 2018, 10:33:18 PM
Hopefull you've now got my form back - curse of the junk mail folder!

All received, thanks!

Leon,

If it is of any use there is this;

https://dlib.rsl.ru/viewer/01003756460#?page=1

It is the 1909 work by Gen Hekkel of the trophies in the Cathedral of Our Lady of Kazan in St Petersberg.  Although in Russian it has illustrations of many colours and standards taken by the Russians during the war, including Polish and Saxon.  Many were taken in 1812-1814 but they are largely still relevant for 1809. 

I've also got the Le Plumet Serie D set of plates by Albert Rigondaud in my collection, which has four plates on the Grand Duchy of Warsaw, as well a Saxon stuff.  If it is of any use let me know

Quote from: John Cook on 02 January 2019, 12:25:29 AM
If it is of any use there is this;

https://dlib.rsl.ru/viewer/01003756460#?page=1

It is the 1909 work by Gen Hekkel of the trophies in the Cathedral of Our Lady of Kazan in St Petersberg.  Although in Russian it has illustrations of many colours and standards taken by the Russians during the war, including Polish and Saxon.  Many were taken in 1812-1814 but they are largely still relevant for 1809.  

I've also got the Le Plumet Serie D set of plates by Albert Rigondaud in my collection, which has four plates on the Grand Duchy of Warsaw, as well a Saxon stuff.  If it is of any use let me know

Thanks for the link John, that's excellent and I'll pass this over to Tony.  For anyone interested, the French flags start on page 65, then other nations from 125 I think (Russian isn't a strong point!)

As agreed in our emails, I post my initial order:

NDW3      1  Line / fusiliers command (czapska)
NDW5      2  Line Elites (Volt / Gren), firing line (16) (czapska)
NDW7      1  Mounted officer (5)
NDW9      1  Uhlan Elites ( 8 )
NDW10    1  6pdr (SYW) with foot crew (3)
NDW11    1  6pdr (SYW) with horse crew (3)
PNFL516   1  Duchy of Warsaw flags (x18)
total: £ 28.40

first invoice (50%) paid

Cheers,
Adam

And as that was your first post lenwelin.........A warm welcome to the forum !

Cheers - Phil

Hi Folks

I have now only the sheet layout to do for the flags of Saxony, Hesse-Darmstadt & Wurttemberg. I'll be discussing that with Leon & Dave at the York show. Thanks to a huge amount of help and info from Andrew I think you will like these.

Now it is on to the Duchy of Warsaw !

I have the Osprey on Nap flags & also Keith Over's book as my first references but have a lot less confidence in them that before working with Andrew on the German states' flags (there were a lot of errors in those sections). The link above would be useful if only I could read Russian - but I can't. What I can read is the text but without the rest of the flag description or an image, it is of very limited use.

Is there a better source that these ? Particularly I'm looking for drawings or good photos of existing flags or copies made from them - they are so much easier to work with than textual info. (I'll take and use textual info. if that is all I can get though).

Tony of TTT

Quote from: TinyTinTroops on 01 February 2019, 08:19:52 PM
Hi Folks

I have now only the sheet layout to do for the flags of Saxony, Hesse-Darmstadt & Wurttemberg. I'll be discussing that with Leon & Dave at the York show. Thanks to a huge amount of help and info from Andrew I think you will like these.

Now it is on to the Duchy of Warsaw !

I have the Osprey on Nap flags & also Keith Over's book as my first references but have a lot less confidence in them that before working with Andrew on the German states' flags (there were a lot of errors in those sections). The link above would be useful if only I could read Russian - but I can't. What I can read is the text but without the rest of the flag description or an image, it is of very limited use.

Is there a better source that these ? Particularly I'm looking for drawings or good photos of existing flags or copies made from them - they are so much easier to work with than textual info. (I'll take and use textual info. if that is all I can get though).

Tony of TTT

The Osprey's and Keith Over's books are not very good.  I wouldn't use them for anything.  They are useless where Wurttemberg is concerned.  What is it you need?  I can probably help.

Have a look on W J Rawkins site. They have very reasonably priced downloads that might contain the information you need.

Quote from: Chad on 02 February 2019, 08:56:03 AM
Have a look on W J Rawkins site. They have very reasonably priced downloads that might contain the information you need.

I had no idea Rawkins publications were still available?  I had some of them about 40 years ago.  There is nothing, as I remember, on colours and standards in them and they were not entirely reliable.

John

They have and are being completely updated. As I said at the price for a download Ed booklet it is not a huge investment. I have several and am very happy with them. Currently waiting for some of the new booklets currently in preparation

Chad

I have the current Rawkins book on the Duchy of Warsaw 1807-1814.
It details  flags for 1st, 2nd, 4th, 6th8th, 13th 14th, 17th infantry regiments
1st chasseurs and uhlans

The current Rawkins editions are worth every penny, I spend £20 getting each printed out and sprial bound, although some are now so big as to need two volumes.
Mark

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I keep mine on my laptop at the moment. As you say very good.

Chad

Quote from: Chad on 02 February 2019, 01:53:15 PM
John

They have and are being completely updated. As I said at the price for a download Ed booklet it is not a huge investment. I have several and am very happy with them. Currently waiting for some of the new booklets currently in preparation

Chad

Does he give his sources these days?

Quote from: John Cook on 02 February 2019, 09:17:07 PM

Does he give his sources these days?

He does, for instance this is his sources page from CB03 - The Kingdom of Italy 1805-14

SOURCES
Addobatti,A (Milan 1899) Il Reggimento Reale Dalmatta (Translated excerpts) Brandini & Crociani (Roma 1987) Uniformi del Primo Tricolore (Various Volumes) Broers, M. (London 1996) Europe Under Napoleon 1799-1815 Broers M (London 2005) The Napoleonic Empire In Italy 1796-1814 Brnardic V (London 2004) Napoleon's Balkan Troops Capra, Carlo (Turin 1978) L'età Rivoluzionaria e Napoleonica in Italia 1796-1815 Connelly, Owen. (NY 1965) Napoleon's Satellite Kingdoms Currie J (London 1979) The Kingdom of Italy Infantry 1805-14 Elting J (NY 1988) Swords Around A Throne Franzozi P ed (Roma 1987) Napoleone in Italia Soldati e Uniformes Fugier, A. (Paris 1947) Napoleon et l'Italie (Translated excerpts) Galliani G Parisini G & Rocchiero G (Genova 1970) La Cavalleria di Linia Italica 1796-1814 Gregory, D. (AUP 2001) Napoleon's Italy Ilari & Crociani (Milano) La Marina Italiana di Napoleone 1796-1814 Ilari & Crociani (Milano) La Sanita Militare in Italia durante le Guerre Napoleoniche Knötel R & Sieg R Hamburg 1937) Handbuch der Uniformen Kunde Lemmi, F. (Milan 1906) Le Origini del Risorgimento Italiano, 1789-1815 Nafziger GF (London 2002) The Defense of the Napoleonic Kingdom of Northern Italy Oman, Carola (London 1966) Napoleon's Viceroy Eugéne Beauharnais Pigni, E (Milano 2001) La Guardia di Napoleone re d'Italia (Translated excerpts) Rawkins W J (Maidenhead 1977)The Italian Army 1805-1814 Rawkins W J & Evans P (Maidenhead 1975) Eagles Flags & Standards of the Italian Army 1805-14 Regnault, J (Paris 1967) Les Aigles Imperiales et le Drapeau Treicolore 1804-1815 Schneid FC (USA 1995) Soldiers of Napoleon's kingdom of Italy 1800-1815 Articles and essays from the contributors to the following magazines and online facilities Tradition, Napoleon Series, Société D'histoire Italie, Depesche, Император, Uniformes, Napitalia, Napoleon Online, Le Service historique de l'armée de terre, Marina Militare, Flags Forum. The art of H Boisselier M Brandini Peter Bunde Quinto Cenni Forthoffer Hoffman André Jouineau H Knötel R Knötel Rene North Perconte Rigo Suhr Brothers E Wagner Weiland F Berjaud

The 'e-books' [sorry a PDF on a CD isn't an e-book but never mind  ] are not exhaustively footnoted but they are massively updated on the original paperback series and offer probably the single best single-source, all wrapped up together study of each army that's in the reach of the majority of wargamers. Like all secondary information collections they will never be sufficient for the series academic or student who wishes to research for themselves but for the typical wargamer they are pretty darn good.

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Quote from: Zippee on 03 February 2019, 12:41:42 PM
He does, for instance this is his sources page from CB03 - The Kingdom of Italy 1805-14

SOURCES
Addobatti,A (Milan 1899) Il Reggimento Reale Dalmatta (Translated excerpts) Brandini & Crociani (Roma 1987) Uniformi del Primo Tricolore (Various Volumes) Broers, M. (London 1996) Europe Under Napoleon 1799-1815 Broers M (London 2005) The Napoleonic Empire In Italy 1796-1814 Brnardic V (London 2004) Napoleon's Balkan Troops Capra, Carlo (Turin 1978) L'età Rivoluzionaria e Napoleonica in Italia 1796-1815 Connelly, Owen. (NY 1965) Napoleon's Satellite Kingdoms Currie J (London 1979) The Kingdom of Italy Infantry 1805-14 Elting J (NY 1988) Swords Around A Throne Franzozi P ed (Roma 1987) Napoleone in Italia Soldati e Uniformes Fugier, A. (Paris 1947) Napoleon et l'Italie (Translated excerpts) Galliani G Parisini G & Rocchiero G (Genova 1970) La Cavalleria di Linia Italica 1796-1814 Gregory, D. (AUP 2001) Napoleon's Italy Ilari & Crociani (Milano) La Marina Italiana di Napoleone 1796-1814 Ilari & Crociani (Milano) La Sanita Militare in Italia durante le Guerre Napoleoniche Knötel R & Sieg R Hamburg 1937) Handbuch der Uniformen Kunde Lemmi, F. (Milan 1906) Le Origini del Risorgimento Italiano, 1789-1815 Nafziger GF (London 2002) The Defense of the Napoleonic Kingdom of Northern Italy Oman, Carola (London 1966) Napoleon's Viceroy Eugéne Beauharnais Pigni, E (Milano 2001) La Guardia di Napoleone re d'Italia (Translated excerpts) Rawkins W J (Maidenhead 1977)The Italian Army 1805-1814 Rawkins W J & Evans P (Maidenhead 1975) Eagles Flags & Standards of the Italian Army 1805-14 Regnault, J (Paris 1967) Les Aigles Imperiales et le Drapeau Treicolore 1804-1815 Schneid FC (USA 1995) Soldiers of Napoleon's kingdom of Italy 1800-1815 Articles and essays from the contributors to the following magazines and online facilities Tradition, Napoleon Series, Société D'histoire Italie, Depesche, Император, Uniformes, Napitalia, Napoleon Online, Le Service historique de l'armée de terre, Marina Militare, Flags Forum. The art of H Boisselier M Brandini Peter Bunde Quinto Cenni Forthoffer Hoffman André Jouineau H Knötel R Knötel Rene North Perconte Rigo Suhr Brothers E Wagner Weiland F Berjaud

The 'e-books' [sorry a PDF on a CD isn't an e-book but never mind  ] are not exhaustively footnoted but they are massively updated on the original paperback series and offer probably the single best single-source, all wrapped up together study of each army that's in the reach of the majority of wargamers. Like all secondary information collections they will never be sufficient for the series academic or student who wishes to research for themselves but for the typical wargamer they are pretty darn good.

Thanks for that.  People can get a bit anal when it comes to source material but one of the principle criticisms of his original stuff was that he didn't provide any at all.    I've been collecting plates, regulations and books for nearly 50 years and I recognise a lot of this material.

Hi John

Just got back from York show and got your e-mail. When I tried to reply your server rejected my reply.

This doesn't always mean that the e-mail didn't get to you but, in case it didn't, I'll answer it here and say that I would be very grateful to see the scans that you mention. I can read pretty well any graphic format or PDF, which ever is the easiest for you. French text is not a problem for me.

Thanks

Tony of TTT