1809 Warsaw sculpts!

Started by Leon, 29 January 2019, 10:27:28 PM

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Leon

Batch 3 of our 1809 Not-Kickstarter has arrived and this month it's the Warsaw sculpts!  We've got the previous 2 sets master moulded so we'll be moving on to the production moulds once we get past the Vapnartak show this coming weekend.  We're roughly on track for starting to ship these towards the end of February as planned.

Warsaw

Command - 2 x Mounted officer / officer / standard / drummer:
NapsWarsawComm by Leon Pengilley, on Flickr

Infantry - Fusilier x 2 march attack / 2 x firing / Elite Co x 2 march attack / 2 x firing:
NapWarsawFoot by Leon Pengilley, on Flickr

Infantry and Art - Grenadiers x 2 / Line artillery crew x 4:
NapWarsawGrenArt by Leon Pengilley, on Flickr

Horse Art - Horse artillery crew x 4:
NapWarsawArt by Leon Pengilley, on Flickr

Uhlans - 3 x command / 2 x troopers:
NapWarsawCav by Leon Pengilley, on Flickr

Uhlan Elites and Art - 2 x Uhlan Elites / Horse artillery crew x 4:
NapWarsawUhlanArt by Leon Pengilley, on Flickr


So with these all done we've only got the Wurttemburgers left to be done!  We'll have those with us soon and we'll get ready to crack on with the production.

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Zippee

Excellent stuff, really looking forward to these

Techno

Damn fine work, 'Mr X'.

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Shutuphippie

These look excellent.  I assume I could use the Uhlans to represent 1815 Red Lancers....
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Quote from: Shutuphippie on 31 January 2019, 08:06:53 PM
These look excellent.  I assume I could use the Uhlans to represent 1815 Red Lancers....


Or Vistula Lancers.  Getting closer to a Peninsula range by the day!

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Quote from: John Cook on 01 February 2019, 02:46:23 AM

Or Vistula Lancers.  Getting closer to a Peninsula range by the day!

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They look great

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maciek

Your infantry officers are wrong.
They wore bicornes.
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Zippee

Quote from: maciek on 22 February 2019, 02:04:16 PM
Your infantry officers are wrong.
They wore bicornes.

Quote Rawkins p26-27
The officers were issued with the same pattern czapka as the men; however, this was generally only worn for full dress and was replaced in the field with the bicorn hat. The hat was trimmed at the upper edges with black leather and hat black leather stiffeners at the front and rear. The white rosette cockade was held with a gold or silver cockade-strap, according to regimental button colour. Field officers had gold/silver lace trim to the upper edge. Pompons & plumes were as for the czapka.

The officers czapka was basically as for the other ranks but as these were usually purchased privately were of better quality and senior officers often had the cap faced with black silk. The upper edges of the hat were trimmed with gold lace, silver for the 2nd Legia, and chinscales and other metalwork were either gilded or silver plated. The eagle plate at the front of the czapka was of similar pattern to that of the other ranks but with decorative scrolling to the edges and was gilded or silver plated; all silver for the 2nd Division officers. All officers wore silver cords and flounders and the white rosette, national cockade was fastened with a silver cockade-strap with gilded or silvered button. The company officers of the fusiliers wore a ball shaped pompon of black; company colour for those regiments serving with the French army in Spain the 4th, 7th and 9th Infantry Regiments. The elite company officers wore pompons of scarlet or green and the full dress plumes were as for the company, or white for the field officers.

In 1810 all lace decorations to the headwear became gold for all regiments and the plates were gilded with silver plated eagles, however, many officers of the 2nd Division appear to have retained their silver decorations at least until 1812. The company officers of the grenadier companies now wore the bearskin bonnets as for the men, however, all metalwork was gilded, cords and flounders were silver and the plumes scarlet. The officers of those units which were wearing the shako had the hat decorated in the French manner, all metalwork was gilt and the upper edge of the shako was trimmed with gold lace. Cords and flounders and company pompons followed those of other officers.
End quote

You should be careful making such sweeping and emphatic statements. Bicorns may well have been a common item of campaign or march wear but they were not the designated uniform item. It is simply incorrect to claim the models are wrong, it's also rather rude to do so without further comment and not particularly helpful either.

paulr

I note from Maciek's blog that his first language appears to be Polish, this may have contributed to the 'brevity' of his comment
Some more background would have been useful and the information from Rawkins is interesting

My Polish officers are in czapka but are from 1812 and 6mm ;)
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maciek

thank you @paulr
Indeed, I'm not native English speaker.
I'm sorry if I offended anybody.

@Zippee
Who is Rawkins you cited ?
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Quote from: maciek on 28 February 2019, 10:45:56 AM
thank you @paulr
Indeed, I'm not native English speaker.
I'm sorry if I offended anybody.

@Zippee
Who is Rawkins you cited ?

'WJ Rawkins' is the author of a series if booklets that were published in the early 1970s, on about every army of the Napoleonic period.  I must have had every one, I think, and at the time I was glad to, because information was not easily accessible and they filled a gap.  They are presently available on CD in what are said to be revised versions.  They need to be revised because the originals were, to be frank, not very good.   I haven't seen any of the new CD editions so I can't comment on them.

Be that as it may, if you look at modern material by people like Ryszard Morawski and Jan Czop, and older stuff by Gembarzewski and Malibran and Chelminski, I think you have a point.  It is certainly true to say that a hat was much more typical.




sultanbev

The 1970s Rawkins books are completely different from the 21st Century Rawkins e-books/CDs, and are far more authorative. I have an original one on the Swedes, and the current 3rd editiion and the constrast is massive. Colour is used throughout now too.

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maciek

Frankly speaking, I lost my interest in napoleonic period in 1990's, so I'm not familiar with newest research, but all sources cited "kapelusz stosowany*" as a headgear of infantry officers.
Only exceptions were grenadier officer who wore bearskins and officers of "Spanish" division, who wore French shakos like their men.

*kapelusz stosowany = bicorn

But wait, wait ...
This page
http://www.napoleon.org.pl/index.php/biblioteka-barwy-i-broni/piechota-xw-wg-przepisu-z-2-marca-1807
shows officers in Polish chapska, but only in 1807.

http://www.napoleon.org.pl/index.php/biblioteka-barwy-i-broni/piechota-xw-wg-przepisu-3-wrzesnia-1810
According to 1810 regulations, officers wore bicorns.

This page is even most intersting:
http://www.napoleon.org.pl/index.php/biblioteka-barwy-i-broni/piechota-xw-na-podstawie-ikonografii-zrodlowej
because it shows soldiers according to contemporary sources, not regulations !

So it seems, officers can use both headgear ...   
More you live, more you learn as old proverb says ...
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sultanbev

Yes, Rawkins book quoted above "The officers were issued with the same pattern czapka as the men; however, this was generally only worn for full dress and was replaced in the field with the bicorn hat."

So for wargaming purposes, either could be correct. I'll probably do them in czapkas for 1st battalions of a regiment, bicornes for other battalions of the regiment.

Mark

maciek

Quote from: sultanbev on 01 March 2019, 08:31:41 PM
Yes, Rawkins book quoted above "The officers were issued with the same pattern czapka as the men; however, this was generally only worn for full dress and was replaced in the field with the bicorn hat."

Gembarzewski stated quite oposite:
In 1810 regulations bicorn was worn with full dress, and he didnt mention czapka at all.
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