Pendraken acquires Castle Arts 10mm Japanese buildings!

Started by Leon, 07 January 2019, 11:25:33 PM

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Quote from: Dr Dave on 08 January 2019, 09:57:16 AM
Those do look splendid. I can see some Shermans and Pershings driving past some of them on Okinawa!
Dammit! I was just talking myself out of them!
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kabrank

Very nice indeed.

Started a city idea with 15mm Oshiro buildings and currently owned 15mm armies.  Too large to do in the end but this looks interesting and could include a 19 Century slant as well.

Some new Russo Japanese Japanese would be nice as these can cover 19 Century rebellions and 1904 [yes I know another project!]

quasar42

Congratulations on the acquisition. These are beautiful buildings. I own a couple of them and like them a lot. Will you be acquiring also their figures range?

quasar42

I see that you actually answer my question in your announcement. Revamping / expanding your range is also good. In addition to the poses already mentioned. Ashigaru arquebus in firing poses would be great. And the current cavalry is on fairly small horses, which could benefit from some bulking up. 

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mmcv

I'd been seriously planning to do samurai as my first 6mm project...now though...  :-X

Ithoriel

Quote from: quasar42 on 08 January 2019, 10:51:12 AM
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And the current cavalry is on fairly small horses, which could benefit from some bulking up. 

My understanding was that Samurai horses were on the small side. So, possibly not?

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mmcv

Quote from: Ithoriel on 08 January 2019, 02:09:40 PM
My understanding was that Samurai horses were on the small side. So, possibly not?

My understanding was the same. I recall reading was some controversy over whether the horses would even have been big enough to charge with a fully armoured warrior on their back or if they were just for transportation. I think they did some live experiments and turned out they were hardy enough to charge at a good speed despite being on the small side. Though probably wouldn't have seen the mass cavalry charges like you would in Europe in widespread usage.

Edit: found the link of where I read it http://gunbai-militaryhistory.blogspot.com/2018/05/did-cavalry-existed-in-japan.html?m=1

Glorfindel

Very, very good news.   

I had previously looked at doing a 10mm Samurai project but wasn't
enthused about the Pendraken poses and ended up starting in 6mm.

This will change things.

What would be very helpful is some kind of giuidance on painting these
buildings - not sure if Pendraken would want to include something like
this on the shop website (on the same page as the model buildings).

Just a thought.


Phil

Leon

Thanks for all of the comments so far!

Quote from: FierceKitty on 08 January 2019, 09:52:39 AM
Can I put in a vote for a few Japanese additions, then?

1)  Generals with fancy helmets (esp. Hideyoshi and Tadakatsu)
2)  Monks with two-handed hexagonal clubs with studs on them
3)  Monks in armour firing muskets, and possibly bows
4)  Ashigaru in conical hats/helmets with pikes
5)  Civvies

I'm sure other voices will be raised alongside mine....

We'll be taking some requests in the nxt month or so, when we start to work up the sculpting list.

Quote from: Womble67 on 08 January 2019, 10:09:46 AM
Congratulations, as you are sculpting new figures, it would be nice if you had a rule set to go with the package as well.

I think it'll be a while before I commit to another ruleset!   :D  We can look at the options out there already and see if we can recommend some for folks though.

Quote from: kabrank on 08 January 2019, 10:32:02 AM
Some new Russo Japanese Japanese would be nice as these can cover 19 Century rebellions and 1904 [yes I know another project!]

The Russo-Japanese range is on our radar to be redone as well but there's never been much demand for it as a period.  We'll be getting it done though, as I want to replace all of the old sculpts still lurking in the catalogue.

Quote from: quasar42 on 08 January 2019, 10:51:12 AM
In addition to the poses already mentioned. Ashigaru arquebus in firing poses would be great. And the current cavalry is on fairly small horses, which could benefit from some bulking up.  

At least one of the new arquebusier sculpts will be firing, no worries there.  We'll also be using the larger horses from our FPW/Naps/ACW ranges, but...

Quote from: Ithoriel on 08 January 2019, 02:09:40 PM
My understanding was that Samurai horses were on the small side. So, possibly not?

...we'll have a look at this as well to make sure they look right.

Quote from: Glorfindel on 08 January 2019, 03:59:13 PM
What would be very helpful is some kind of giuidance on painting these buildings - not sure if Pendraken would want to include something like this on the shop website (on the same page as the model buildings).

That's an interesting idea, we'll have to see what we can do there.  I'll ask the original owner who did the painting and see if we can get some info.
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quasar42

On the horse size question, my personal view is that miniature aesthetics trump physical accuracy.  Not just for horses but also other aspects of a mini.  Sometimes trying to make it physically accurate just does not look "right" on a mini.  But that is just me.

quasar42

And one more pose suggestion: Large rectangular banners. The current banners are on the small-side.

Leon

Quote from: quasar42 on 08 January 2019, 09:41:38 PM
On the horse size question, my personal view is that miniature aesthetics trump physical accuracy.  Not just for horses but also other aspects of a mini.  Sometimes trying to make it physically accurate just does not look "right" on a mini.  But that is just me.

You're right and we saw that with the Mongols to an extent.  The smaller horses meant that the riders ended up being slightly smaller as well so that they looked 'right'. 

Quote from: quasar42 on 08 January 2019, 09:44:49 PM
And one more pose suggestion: Large rectangular banners. The current banners are on the small-side.

The banners will be much better, the old ones are too small and the poles for them are nowhere near long enough to mount on the figures properly, so we can address both of those with the new sculpts.
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kabrank

Would it be worth looking at casting the Sashimo banners onto some of the figures as fixing 100's can be a pain [but equally a pain to remove if not wanted].

May be worth running a poll on this.

Looking at the Russo Japanese Range whilst Russians from other periods can bulk out the Russians the Japanese are the key to a revamp I suspect.

I have held off actually starting this project hoping for Japanese new figures and artillery as these are difficult to proxy from other ranges

Note that with the Age of Rifles rule set for this period and the growing popularity of BBB there may be more interest in the future as 10mm is perfect for both these sets.

steve_holmes_11

Quote from: kabrank on 09 January 2019, 08:33:55 AM
Would it be worth looking at casting the Sashimo banners onto some of the figures as fixing 100's can be a pain [but equally a pain to remove if not wanted].

May be worth running a poll on this.

Looking at the Russo Japanese Range whilst Russians from other periods can bulk out the Russians the Japanese are the key to a revamp I suspect.

I have held off actually starting this project hoping for Japanese new figures and artillery as these are difficult to proxy from other ranges

Note that with the Age of Rifles rule set for this period and the growing popularity of BBB there may be more interest in the future as 10mm is perfect for both these sets.

It looks as though the answer is to offer figures with or without sashimono (if cast-on is a possibility).

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Leon

On the banners, I don't think we'd be looking to cast them onto the figures.  With the banners needing to be at a 90 degree angle out of the back of the figure, it would cause casting problems with some of the poses. 
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Duke Speedy of Leighton

In that case, can the banner poles have the 90 degree turn needed built is, as the old ones could be a right pain! ;)
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jaztez

I would also love to see some russo japanese war love.

Its a period I'd love to do with big battle rules.

Others have said, with BBB out there, you could get more interest now.  Plus you could easily mod black powder for it, and I'd be happy to supply mods to the forum, as I have similar already for Russian civil war and ww1 Africa.

I get the costs are high to get them to market, so I'd say to Leon, why not run another crowd funding forum post, like with the napoleonics, to gauge interest? You don't have to go ahead if people don't meet the break even threshold.

You're talking, maybe, three Japanese infantry, three command, and two lots of Russians, more formal, and ragged, to get started. People can proxy some Russian stuff.

So if you're considering redoing them, you could count me in for like 1000 figures for each side!
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Quote from: jaztez on 10 January 2019, 10:28:24 AM
I would also love to see some russo japanese war love.
You do know that sounds like niche adult viewing?
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