Very nice model.

And interesting history, I hadn't any idea galleys were in use so late on (which is what comes from an anglo-centric view of history...) Where they mainly used in the Med?

Quote from: fred. on 21 December 2018, 09:36:47 AM
Very nice model.

And interesting history, I hadn't any idea galleys were in use so late on (which is what comes from an anglo-centric view of history...) Where they mainly used in the Med?

Cheers.

Best thing I've read on the subject is 'Gunpowder and Galleys' by John Francis Guilmartin.

Quote from: fred. on 21 December 2018, 09:36:47 AM
Very nice model.

And interesting history, I hadn't any idea galleys were in use so late on (which is what comes from an anglo-centric view of history...) Where they mainly used in the Med?

Good question! Yes, the Med would be the TAOR for the galley.  The Battle of Djarba (1560) is a classic.  What struck me when I studied the Siege of Valetta (1565) and pre siege war between Christian alliance v Ottoman empire was how quickly a fleet of galleys could be built ad fitted out. 

The galley had a shallow draft so in shore waters perhaps?  I will leave this one to naval wargamers with more specialist knowledge of this area.   

As examples:

Spanish galleys operated in Dutch waters during their tussle over who, exactly, The Netherlands belonged to.

France sent galleys to Scotland to support the Auld Alliance.

Galleys and Galleases operated as part of the Spanish Armada.

The Ottomans used galleys to counter Portuguese activity in the Indian Ocean - proving they were no match for the Portuguese carracks on the open sea in the process!

Normally, however, they were operating in the comparatively shallow and calmer waters of the Med.

Thanks chaps, very informative

Quote from: Ithoriel on 21 December 2018, 01:47:26 PM
As examples:

Spanish galleys operated in Dutch waters during their tussle over who, exactly, The Netherlands belonged to.

France sent galleys to Scotland to support the Auld Alliance.

Galleys and Galleases operated as part of the Spanish Armada.

The Ottomans used galleys to counter Portuguese activity in the Indian Ocean - proving they were no match for the Portuguese carracks on the open sea in the process!

Normally, however, they were operating in the comparatively shallow and calmer waters of the Med.

And didn't Argyll watch (and/or flee from?) the Battle of Inverlochy (1645) from the safety of his galley? (hopefully, d-guy will confirm). 

As to Argyll at Inverlochy, he didn't stay for the battle, having damaged his arm tumbling from his horse, but instead retired to a galley waiting on Loch Linnhe.

The Islesmen used galleys for raiding and trading.

Kishmul was legendary pirate or "reiver" who plied his trade in the 14th century on the north east coast of Scotland, among the Hebrides.

In some stories he appears as a sort of sea-faring Robin Hood...stealing from the rich and giving to the poor.

The Bennachie is a range of hills northeast of Aberdeen.

Quote from: Ithoriel on 21 December 2018, 04:29:43 PM
As to Argyll at Inverlochy, he didn't stay for the battle, having damaged his arm tumbling from his horse, but instead retired to a galley waiting on Loch Linnhe.

The Islesmen used galleys for raiding and trading.

These are birlinns, more like Viking longships in design, a different thing entirely.  It's the ship on the arms of Clan Donald.

Kishmul was legendary pirate or "reiver" who plied his trade in the 14th century on the north east coast of Scotland, among the Hebrides.

The Hebrides are on the North WEST of Scotland. Kisimul castle is on the island of Barra.

In some stories he appears as a sort of sea-faring Robin Hood...stealing from the rich and giving to the poor.

The Bennachie is a range of hills northeast of Aberdeen.

Bennachie is the name - no 'The' in it.

Quote from: SV52 on 21 December 2018, 04:53:07 PM
The Islesmen used galleys for raiding and trading.

These are birlinns, more like Viking longships in design, a different thing entirely.  It's the ship on the arms of Clan Donald.

Kishmul was legendary pirate or "reiver" who plied his trade in the 14th century on the north east coast of Scotland, among the Hebrides.

The Hebrides are on the North WEST of Scotland. Kisimul castle is on the island of Barra.

In some stories he appears as a sort of sea-faring Robin Hood...stealing from the rich and giving to the poor.

The Bennachie is a range of hills northeast of Aberdeen.

Bennachie is the name - no 'The' in it.

Birlinns are shallow draught, oared ships so seemed to me to fit with what was being discussed but you're right you wouldn't confuse them with the traditional Med galley!

Oops! Yup, West not East. Can you tell why I wasn't allowed to sit Geography "O" Level?

The line in the song, as I know it, is "High on The Bennachie, on the day of days ..." but, since I couldn't point them out on a map, I stand corrected

THanks for the fixes.

A far better song to use is 'Whaur Gadie Rins' 

'O gin I were whaur Gadie rins,
Whaur Gadie rins, whaur Gadie rins,
O gin I were whaur Gadie rins
At the back o' Bennachie.'

I live in Aberdeenshire and nobody here calls it The Bennachie.

Quote from: SV52 on 21 December 2018, 09:34:13 PM


I live in Aberdeenshire...

Och, ye puir wee laddie!