Thanks Guys, the Pike & Shot Society kindly sent me the recent article on Cheriton, books added to my wish list

We finished our ongoing Napoleonic game last night so will be doing a test game of FK&P with the wider group next Saturday
Will be interesting to see what they make of the rules 

I suggested we do the Montgomery scenario out of the rule book, but thinking about the Scottish interests of most of our group Tippermuir might be a better first game

A quick compatibility question

How will LOA36 Mounted command, standing (7) and LOA37 Mounted command, moving (7) fit with the ECW range both in terms of size and build and style of the officers dress

Pierre the Shy, thanks for the idea of using these to add variety to the officers

As I finalise my order another quick question, any suggestions on some figures to mix with EC8 Peasants to add a bit more variety to my 'Rabble' :-

ELM14 Peasants mixed weapons
Any others?

Quote from: paulr on 28 April 2018, 09:36:46 PM
A quick compatibility question

How will LOA36 Mounted command, standing (7) and LOA37 Mounted command, moving (7) fit with the ECW range both in terms of size and build and style of the officers dress :-

Pierre the Shy, thanks for the idea of using these to add variety to the officers

Paul here are a couple Q&D pics I just took comparing ECW (on right) and LOA (on left) Command stands
(They are made intentional big so you can see details)




The LOA are slightly taller and more full but I think they integrate well enough.
Two essential differences. In the late 1650s men style was beginning to change noticeably:
The wide brimmed hats are getting more turn ups and officers were getting tape and even feathered fringe (this last noticeable on the LOA sculpts). Painting them the same color as the hat would minimize this difference.
The more marked difference is the coats. In the 1640s they are short and flared out at the waist to form a short skirt. By 1660 they are longer (knee length) and the flare is less dramatic. Still this is fairly dramatic difference in the sculpts as is the post 1660 exaggerated cuff.
Me - I would be "fashion forward" and mix them but they are noticeably different!

Yes - both that you mention plus AS5, LOA16, and even a few SYW12 and EC42 because one simply can not have too much Rabble (which could include women).  There are no rules! 
The clothing doesn't always match the 1640s but with a bit of tissue paper, green stuff and paint much can be altered.

Thanks for posting the pics of your command stands D Guy, very helpful indeed as always  

I decided to go with the LOA officers as the LOA36 Mounted command, standing (7) and LOA37 Mounted command, moving (7) figures are made in very "dynamic" poses if you know what I mean and the limited sources I have available on the period suggested that even the Scots commanders were fairly nattily dressed. I realise that the fashion had changed somewhat but I'm prepared to live with it.

Not expecting too many conversations with "button counters" about the length of the officers coats  

I applaud your decision Peter. 

Incidently my MacColla Command stand are all figures on foot. The old boy himself is an officer figure from 1745 JS4 (shimmed to add a foot or two to his height) with a claymore "borrowed" from the 1513 Flodden ER3 Highlander giving an average date of 1629! Close enough! 

Thanks d_Guy, I'll also include some 'natty' dressers to add some variety and dynamism to my command stands

Some interesting options for the Rabble

I can only agree Bill, some great looking command stands! Love both periods too.

Terry

Thanks Terry - just to remind everyone - Toxic Pixie painted the LOA figures for me.

I've just sent Leon Pierre the Shy's and my order to get the price
I'm sure it will be very reasonable

Thanks to all for your assistance, particularly Molinary who has provided very helpful replies to my emails

Mollinary runs one of the best support desks going!

He does indeed

He has some competition from Leon who has, in his usual efficient and helpful way, priced our order
And very reasonable it is

Order tweaked slightly and placed, thanks Leon

Ok, I admit it, I added a couple of things

FK&P had a very successful debut with our regular gaming group

Pierre the Shy's summary of the game can be found here http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,16966.msg255527.html#msg255527
And my observations have ended up on the next page http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,16966.msg255530.html#msg255530

It went so well that Pierre the Shy even admitted during our half time tea break that we had already ordered the figures

pierre the shy was simply leading from the front. 

I've been tinkering with orders of battle for Cheriton with help from Mollinary and I am pretty sure I'm happy with version 9

Fortunately the changes haven't been too drastic and the figures I've already ordered will still give me everything I need for the battle
In fact they will give me more than I need as there are 14 units of Commanded Shot which I've ordered pikes for as well 

Now on to sorting out coat colours and flags

Quote from: paulr on 11 May 2018, 09:11:25 PM
Now on to sorting out coat colours and flags

A bit more straight forward for the Covenanters.....any coat colour so long as its hodden grey and most regiments have the saltire flags in various colour combinations.

Still have to work out exactly what shade of grey hodden grey is - probably use a few different shades of grey for separate battalia    the colonel of the regiment evidently bought uniforms en-masse for the whole unit.

Sorted out some clan banners for the highlanders - Camerons, Gordons and Lamonts to start with. Highly speculative that they did carry them in 1640's (the ones I have are much more modern I think) but they look good so I'm going to use them    

Hi Pierre,

FWIW, if you want to have a slight break from hodden grey, there is some evidence that the first Covenanter unit's sent to Ulster in early 1642 where supplied with red material for coats by the English Parliament. As Campbell of Lawers is one of these, they still may have been (at least partially) in red coats at Auldearn.

My hodden grey is all over the place from very cold blue-grey to very hot red-grey. The red and brown tones are probably the more accurate.

Since most of the known Covenanter flags were those captured a Dunbar (1650) I general match that colour scheme if possible but, as you say, use lots of saltires. I've taken to using a white (with various heraldry) flag for the colonel's standard since that seems to accord with what we know. All my standards are now detachable.

I make up clan banners with great abandon so I like your approach. 

I'm sure you know this reference but just in case, the regimental wiki portion of BCW Project is very useful:
http://wiki.bcw-project.org/covenanter/start

Quote from: paulr on 11 May 2018, 09:11:25 PM
I've been tinkering with orders of battle for Cheriton with help from Mollinary and I am pretty sure I'm happy with version 9

Now on to sorting out coat colours and flags

I've finally settled on version 10 of the orders of battle

I've made good progress on coat colours and some progress on researching flags