Hello everyone!
Here is my question for you lovely people:

If the only two choices you had for playing Napoleonic wargames was either General D'armee or General de Brigade deluxe which would you choose to play given the following restrictions. . . ?
1. The forces: Around 2 infantry brigades per side. Either 1 full Cavalry Brigade OR smaller Cavalry attachment. 1 Artillery attachment.
2. 10mm (obviously) figures with no opportunity for figure removal.
3. 6x3 table- the size of my current table, it seems such a waste of time and money to build boards just to add an extra 6" each side of the long table edge. We think we will simply state where the off table battalions are if the entire Brigade isn't able to appear on table and depth is too much of an issue.

Thanks for your advice and thoughts, if you really think that the two choices offered are poor in terms of my requirements then feel free to suggest others. Some rules I have no interest in however are: Black Powder, Napoleon at War, Shako.
Thanks for any suggestions and help, I would like to avoid having to buy too many more rulesets before I can get a decent time period of gaming with one set. I have March Attack, Elan and Lasalle already.
All the best,
MA

Can't comment on the rulesets, have none of the ones you mention.

I can comment on the table size though. My table is about 8' x 3'6". I sometimes just put the units along the edges and just make their first move from there. Works fine, and gives you more table space. Ww2 troops regularly start off the board in my games, and this no problem. This even adds an extra element of strategy in (what sometimes is a pretty boring) first turn.

I played in a refight of Waterloo several years ago and that put me off General de Brigade completely. Best avoided if you ask me. We now play and love Naps using one of the rule sets on your "no" list. But I'd never play gemeral de brigade again.

Should have mentioned i play with 'napoleonic wargaming' by Neil Thomas.

If I ever play Napoleonic it is likely to be using BBB. I've never come across a set of specific Napoleonic rules that have encouraged me to get into the period.

Quote from: petercooman on 19 November 2017, 02:45:11 PM

Should have mentioned i play with 'napoleonic wargaming' by Neil Thomas.

So do I.

Quote from: jimduncanuk on 19 November 2017, 04:45:40 PM
So do I.

The simplicity of them really works!

Thanks for the replies everyone!
DrDave I'd love to know more- what put you off so much if you don't mind me asking?
I will happily take a look at napoleonic wargaming, I haven't come across it before.
Cheers
MA

This is the book you want.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Napoleonic-Wargaming-Neil-Thomas/dp/0752451308/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1511117769&sr=1-1&keywords=napoleonic+wargaming&dpID=51wShF8G59L&preST=_SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch

Cheers for that Jim. cheap enough to give it a look and see whether I should persevere with my 6mm Naps.

Quote from: Leman on 19 November 2017, 07:09:14 PM

Cheers for that Jim. cheap enough to give it a look and see whether I should persevere with my 6mm Naps.

Make sure you read the book before you read the rules. There are some concepts in them which don't make sense if you just read the rules.

Quote from: MAgamer on 19 November 2017, 06:36:00 PM
Thanks for the replies everyone!
DrDave I'd love to know more- what put you off so much if you don't mind me asking?
I will happily take a look at napoleonic wargaming, I haven't come across it before.
Cheers
MA

Too complex and paper work required. The command and control system is the old style "brigade on hold orders so no one can move" type concept from the 70s. The author (Dave Brown) wrote several nonsensical articles in the mainstream magazines when the rules came out and that didn't help much. Just too clunky and no fun. He had some clever ideas on skirmishers I seem to recall, particularly when they want to reform. Otherwise I think he's about as pro-French as a chap can get without reeking of garlic and confusing onions for jewelry!

Ah! mon Dieu, at least you did not deride my fashionable Breton sweater and beret, nor my economically efficient bicyclette monsieur!

Quote from: MAgamer on 19 November 2017, 09:42:34 AM
(...) feel free to suggest others.
(...)

my two cents :
I really like Song of Drums and Shakos.

Quote from: ronan on 19 November 2017, 09:16:39 PM
my two cents :
I really like Song of Drums and Shakos.

Wich one? the regular or the big battle one? (asking because i'm interested in the skirmish one)

 Large battles suits better my taste. ( and has more figs )

Both are good.

Quote from: MAgamer on 19 November 2017, 09:42:34 AM
Hello everyone!
Here is my question for you lovely people:

If the only two choices you had for playing Napoleonic wargames was either General D'armee or General de Brigade deluxe which would you choose to play given the following restrictions. . . ?
1. The forces: Around 2 infantry brigades per side. Either 1 full Cavalry Brigade OR smaller Cavalry attachment. 1 Artillery attachment.
2. 10mm (obviously) figures with no opportunity for figure removal.
3. 6x3 table- the size of my current table, it seems such a waste of time and money to build boards just to add an extra 6" each side of the long table edge. We think we will simply state where the off table battalions are if the entire Brigade isn't able to appear on table and depth is too much of an issue.

Thanks for your advice and thoughts, if you really think that the two choices offered are poor in terms of my requirements then feel free to suggest others. Some rules I have no interest in however are: Black Powder, Napoleon at War, Shako.
Thanks for any suggestions and help, I would like to avoid having to buy too many more rulesets before I can get a decent time period of gaming with one set. I have March Attack, Elan and Lasalle already.
All the best,
MA

Neither of those options float my boat but opinions on rules are meaningless, play what works for you. If you held a gun to my head, probably GdA just because it's slightly more streamlined and modern than GdB but both revolve around a combat mechanic that leaves me cold.

FWIW my usual choices from large to small engagements are Blucher-LFS-Lasalle-Sharp Practice. Two brigades plus is too small for LFS really, so I'd go for Lasalle despite it's idiosyncrasies.

Quote from: ronan on 20 November 2017, 05:39:17 PM
Large battles suits better my taste. ( and has more figs )

Both are good.

Thanks Ronan, will look into it! As I said in my painting diary, I have loose figures left from making Perry and warlord boxes, so looking at a skirmish set as well.

I'd second Zippee's comment on Blucher - table is a bit shallow ("full size" three inch bases should get a table at 6*4ft), but you could go with 60mm wide and have space on the ends left over to hold drinks, flank marches, dead/retired/in reserve units etc.

Although it means playing at the "whole army" level, not just a couple of Brigades (each base in Blucher is @a Brigade-ish).

So I could actually try Lasalle out first again and see how I get on. I can't remember why I dropped the ruleset. A couple of years ago I started with 28mm, wanting to fight big battles, last year I sold off a whole bunch of Painted battalions and held onto enough to game Sharp Practice 2. I love that game! But the itch for bigger scale games has lingered. The best thing I ever did was sell all those extras- I wouldn't have found 10mm and Pendraken had I not.
I guess one of the things which turned me on to General D'Armee was that it is from a "wing" of TFL (it begins with R but I won't attempt to spell it!) and it used charts and 2d6 rolls. This was new to me as I've never used a set with this before (I know it's not new in wargaming however). I had never used card activation before Sharp Practice, and that turned out to be a winner.
Well I guess I will stick with Lasalle, give Napoleonic wargaming a look into and see if I can find a club which plays General D'Armee so I can maybe try it out without taking the plunge straight away.
Interesting!
Thanks again everyone
MA