Urbancohort has started this painting thread and is keeping it wholly clear of apostrophes although it is all about his painting skills developing.

Started by urbancohort, 28 March 2017, 08:58:05 AM

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Now based but bases not done yet. I have chosen to slightly stagger the lines because I believe 'knee to knee' doesn't mean with mechanical precision, especially in the later Stuart era. All the evidence that I have seen suggests that discipline and training was not as thorough as later eras and definitely not as well-drilled as the AWI/Napoleonic era. Additionally, even in these latter periods, horses are not machines but have what passes for brains between their ears. Each will have their own physical capabilities and the riders will have a range of experience and skills. Therefore I have shown the charge line as being a bit ragged deliberately. Interested to hear any views, guys?

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Techno

I really like 'em.....The 'ragged line' works really well, to my eyes.

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toxicpixie

I'd base mine much like that :) With such individual looking figures it seems a waste to "regulate" them too much!
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d_Guy

First. Thanks for getting the apostrophe removed! I will no longer go through the sequence - write reply - post reply - curse - copy reply - reset - remove the apostrophe in title - paste reply - post. I did this every single time!

Like the painting as usually but the staggered basing works pretty well also.

As the them probably wearing pot helmets - I finally decide on the illustration in the book!
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urbancohort

Progress on the dragoons. Varying states of completion, with the drummer very early stage whilst the hat men are nearing completion at the detailing stage. In fact, it appears that dragoons at Sedgemoor may have worn breast and backplates and helmets, but these came with the LoA allied army pack and the facts are not certain, so I have gone with what I have. Unfortunately, I can't find suitable flags for the unit in the flags Pendraken sells so I will have to paint some. These will be a mounted troop of the Royal Regiment of Dragoons when completed. Question is, do I base them as cavalry or infantry?

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urbancohort

Of note, there is less lace on these than those I have painted to date. I assume that the dragoons were regarded as lower status and don't seem from illustrations to have the decorations and accomplishments of other units?

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Based but the base not finished yet. Decided to follow my practice for cavalry bases, but reasoned that generally dragoons wouldn't be fighting from horseback, and as the Pendraken figs are moulded in 'passive' poses, so I have put them in column, not abreast. I am sure some expert will put me right on this and tell me dragoons didn't ride in column or something, but it has the advantage that although I am using the same no of figs per base, I can see at a glance they are not cavalry.

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Glorfindel

If you are trying to find English Cavalry standards for Sedgemoor, you might find it useful to
look at the League of Augsburg shop :

http://www.leagueofaugsburg.com/shop/products-subcat-6-3.html

Pages 3 and 4 of the 'Grand Alliance' flags category incude quite a few that might
be helpful.

I know that these flags are normally used with 28mm figures but, if you get in touch
with Barry Hilton using the 'contact me' link on the site, I understand that Barry
Hilton is happy to resize them.

Cheers,


Phil

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urbancohort

Fantastic idea Glorfindel and thanks. I will give it a go.

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And all change...

Had a long, hard think and decided to make a small alteration to how I am constructing the army. It seems I have achieved a 1:4 ratio (I like big armies). When I started this I knew very little about what I was modelling and about wargames. It is obvious now that pikes and muskets were brigaded together in one body, not separated out as I had modelled them.

I decided to make my regiments into Company sized units. Research shows each company had 20:40 pikes to muskets, which works out as 5 pike to 10 muskets. I include command figures which reduces the demand on the 'private sentinal' figures. Kirkes Regiment and Dumbartons had 5 companies apiece at Sedgemoor; 4 'hat' companies and 1 grenadier company. The grenadier company should be slightly smaller, having a strength of 50, not 60, but I'll live with that inaccuracy.
So here are two of The Queen Dowager's Regiment 'hat' companies and the grenadier company as a starter for ten. In due course I will decorate the new bases, and it is a pity to have to waste the bases but I like the result I am seeing here.

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FierceKitty

I have difficulty adjusting to pikemen who aren't in deep block. Not speaking in censure of your models, you understand.
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d_Guy

Urban,
Rebasing is not an uncommon occurance. I've read posts from many here and elsewhere about the travails of rebasing. I've done it five times (three since switching to 10mm) in the last five years.

Have you selected a rules system? Often they will give a guide to basing. Working at the company level is a woundefully detailed way to go but consider that you may often wish to detach some of the musketeers leaving the pikes behind or collect the pikes in a block (although that was starting to go away in our time period). One of the neat things about having large companies is the capability to take up all sorts off different formations at the battalion level or to send off small detachments to do special things.

I bring this up only because you may find single bases ffor a company will limit what you can do at the level where you may want to game. If you have an opportunity take a look at "Donnybrook" (League of Augsburg) or "Pikeman's Lament" (Osprey) since they work at your level of detail (although figures are generally single based).

That said your basing will generally work for "Baroque"  (some may disagree), you would just be playing in a scale where two or three battalions (say eighteen companies - each a unit) would stretch the limits of the rules. Obviously, there are a few other details to work out as well. :)

I really like what you are doing, both the look of your results and your clear interest and enthusiasm. I made a large number of mistakes (and still do) but the biggest was not having a clear idea of how the games were going to work before I launched into basing the figures. I mean none of this a criticism of your work, just sharing some of MY mistakes and a bit of what I've learned. 

BTW - I like the Dragoon basing because it does have great flexibility!
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