Bad people are NEVER left wing, being left wing makes them, by definition - GOOD ... isn't that how it goes. Anyhow, f*ck this, its Friday and here's a multiculti entertainment for you, czechs singing a song about an Ayrshire man (FM Loudon) in the service of the Emperor of Austria, I love it, almost as good as 'a cisare pana' which is my favourite - Hoch!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbIvXDY3iRE

Judge by actions and evidence, not rhetoric. Even Hitler cloaked himself & the Nazis in pseudo-left wing rhetoric in order to try and assume the mantle of good. It's no even so much right versus left as equity versus autocracy. The same struggle we've faced since the first god-kings said "give me the literal fruits of your labours that I may live in unearned splendour".

Even with that, there's no monopoly on any pole/axis on nice or nasty, but it does swing towards nasty on the right so much more often it's a good shorthand, I guess.

Anyway, yes. Time to leave this, although I might revisit for a listen to the song when I'm not on the phone

but it does swing towards nasty on the right so much more often it's a good shorthand, I guess.

Really, Stalin, Mao, I mean how do you gauge it, body count ? If so its the left by a mile, every time.

The voice of reason again reminds everyone that this isn't TMP....

TMP, really ! go and wash your mouth out. The left have an innate sense of 'betterness', post war it has gone virtually unchallenged, any atrocity is somehow vitiated by 'the end - or the putative end - is justified by the means', it is not, it never will be. Democide is every bit as horrible as Genocide, no difference at all, none.

No, no ,no ,no. I already had my fill of fighting on TMP (went as far as stiffled 3 people. Two of them people who usually make good gaming posts. Only had done it once before). Not on this Forum as well. Come on. Keep your politics in check.

As for the recording. It is quite clear that Hitler i) really did believe Stalin would come after him at some point in the 1940s. On the other hand we know do have strong indicators that Stalin would probably had not done so until much later in 40s or early 50s. i.e unlike Hitler, Stalin still thought it prudent to spend time digesting what he got out of Robberdop-Molotov.

ii) The Germans really really did no serious prep work on the USSR capabilities. They only read events (Purges, Winter War) within their pre-existing prejudices about the Soviet system (ie as indicators of weakness) and did not consider them as indicators of strength (i.e the Purges meant that Stalin now had no internal opposition. The Winter War as a indicator of the ability of the Soviets to rebound from defeat, mobilize new resources, and innovate to victory). A shocking confession of incompetence.

I wonder, how much of the lack of info on the Soviets was due to the purges. I do not for a moment by that the majority of the people purged had done what Stalin accused them off. But I wonder if the biggest part of the German intelligence network in the USSR was not destroyed alongside the thousands of innocent?

Remember the forum 'rule' about politics and religion, chums.

Cheers - Phil

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Quote from: fsn on 24 March 2017, 10:27:56 PM
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There isn't a creed, philosophy or political persuasion that hasn't been an excuse for wickedness at some point.

I'm not a Christian but the following still resonates

Sydney Carter 'The Devil'
The Devil wore a Crucifix
"The Christians they are right"
The Devil said "so let us burn
A heretic tonight,
A heretic tonight".

The stars and stripes or swastika
The crescent or a star
The Devil he will wear them all
No matter what they are,
No matter what they are,

In red or blue or khaki
In green or black and tan
The Devil is a patriot
A proper party man,
A proper party man.

Whenever there's a lynching
The Devil will be there
A witch or an apostle,
The Devil doesn't care,
The Devil doesn't care.

He'll beat a drum in China
He'll beat it in the west
He'll beat a drum for anyone
"And a Holy war is best,
A Holy war is best".

The Devil isn't down in hell
Or riding in the sky
The Devil's dead (I've heard it said)
They're telling you a lie,
They're telling you a lie!

Quote from: fsn on 24 March 2017, 10:27:56 PM
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